dear len
no apologies nor regrets needed
as my interest in what you & everyone else here likes desires wishes
enjoys etc is sincere
for that has general value
it is only that i have no interest in what you dont like or dont want
etc
for that has no value
so please lets simplify the discussion & eschew the usual pathos
frustration bitterness problems etc normally associated with
clavology & borderology & such as you resumed detailing & soliciting
here below
for we havent asked for any & dont know what to do with it
because we are having too much fun to slow down for it
& if you dont find the common focus we have all actually signed on to
here either broad or deep enough please feel free to go as
centrifugal on us as you like but dont expect others to follow you
necessarily nor to stop responding centripetally themselves
& btw i didnt think mats had anything to apologize for either
so in a nutshell
if you or anyone cant or wont talk about try pointing then please do
at least try pointing at & focussing exclusively on whatever does
have positive value for you
m
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> Sorry...
>
> I was commenting on the phrase in the message I responded to which
> found curious, which was:
>
> " nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> couldnt quite see how the author figured the experience would be of
> value to the entire world".
>
> "Reassembly". Was that meant as a synonym for "rehash" - in the
face
> of the poster's apology if the posting contained old news?
>
> I guess I was trying to say it was immaterial that one couldn't
figure
> out why the author figured the experience would be of value to the
> whole world. But, if it feels good to imagine what it might be
like
> if the whole world though our mutual topics were central to the
> universe, well.... go for it!
>
> At the same time I was trying to prompt others to get interested in
> reporting a little more on the human side of exclaves in contrast
to
> "reassemblies" of classifications, geopolicitial peculiarities and
> border descriptions. I wasn't soliciting (or wasn't trying to
> solicit) free reading material or tell the world what I liked.
I'll
> consider taking umbrage that you thought that. I was only trying
to
> broaden this board by distributing an idea for a topic or range of
> topics that would lend more depth to the variety of subject matter
> undelying the basic purpose of this message board.
>
> That's all.
>
> LN
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > well it is nice to hear what you wish & enjoy len
> >
> > yet being of value to the entire world wasnt immaterial to the
> author
> > who expressly wished & claimed it for his thesis
> > & it is perhaps the best idea in the paper
> > so i was following that part with the greatest interest
> > for it certainly feels good to imagine that anyone or anything
could
> > be of value to the entire world
> > & indeed to wish that for oneself & ones action
> > so if anyone did understand better what the author meant in this
> > regard i would still like to rehear your idea of this thesis
> > which has frankly eluded me
> > thats all
> > whether it is immaterial for you or not
> > m
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Mr. Vinokurov's document made interesting reading. I think it
is
> > > useful for anyone in the world who needs a primer on how to
> catalog
> > > things. It is rich in upper level assessments, but like so
many
> > other
> > > writings on enclaves, it doesn't dealve into the "nitty-gritty"
of
> > > people's lives in them. For instance, if you live in an
exclave,
> > and
> > > have to call an ambulance, can it come from the adjacent
country?
> > Who
> > > pays the bill and how, in the case of medical insurance
carriers.
> > > Does an exclave resident need a work permit to work in the
> adjacent
> > > country? If Dutch tanks rolled in and occupied a farmfield in
> > Baarle
> > > that belonged to Belgium, would Belgium be allowed to violate
the
> > NL -
> > > B border to help it's exclave? I experienced two such
incidents,
> > one
> > > in Baarle - where a neighbor called the police to turn down the
> > volume
> > > of a crowd at a party a couple of doors away - the other house
was
> > in
> > > a foreign country - the police department that was called
couldn't
> > do
> > > anything once they arrived and found the house wasn't in their
> > > country. In Buesingen, I once tried to use US military gas
> coupons
> > at
> > > the Esso station - the coupons are good at any Esso and BP
station
> > in
> > > Germany - but not at the one in Busingen. Why? Because, gas
in
> > > Busingen is priced in Swiss currency, taxed at German rates in
the
> > > Swiss Franc equivalent, and the gas station's source of supply
is
> > > Swiss.
> > >
> > > Im not levying a criticism of Mr. Vinokurov's work by my
message,
> > just
> > > wishing someone would write up local stories like those from
> > exclaves
> > > they've visited - to get depth on the subject rather than high
> > level
> > > catgorizations of what exclaves are in ever varying
compilations
> of
> > > words that basically repeat the same subject matter.
> > >
> > > Mr. Vinokurov's work did expose a couple new situations I'll
have
> > fun
> > > getting into, and for that I am grateful he wrote his piece and
> > that
> > > someone here posted it. Whether it matters to the world at
large
> > is
> > > immaterial.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> > couldnt
> > > > quite see how the author figured the experience would be of
> value
> > to
> > > > the entire world
> > > >
> > > > also i was interested to see that he cited catudal but
evidently
> > > > demurred from using the pene word when semi & quasi were
clearly
> > > > better
> > > >
> > > > m
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > It's new news to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad
State
> > > > > University. K'grad Russians are more than preoccupied with
> > their
> > > > > status. "Enclave" for them means being the poorest of all
> > Baltic
> > > > > states...
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter S.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Ernst Stavro Blofeld
> > <blofeld_es@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Have y'all seen this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My apologies if it is old news...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mats