Christian wrote:
>I found a site about the former Omani exclave of Gwadar -
>http://www.oman.org/bonn_007.htm
>
I contacted Dr Nicolini last year, and she sent me a couple of articles
sh'ed written on Gwadar. She hasn't investigated the negotations for the
sale of it to Pakistan in 1958 though, she's more interested in trade and
older Omani history.
While at the PRO in London, I found some files there on the Paki-Omani
negotiations. Seems Pak wanted it "back", while the Omani sultan refused to
negotiate with them, as they were "only" a dominion, and not a republic,
thus he did not consider them independent of the UK, until 1956 (when Pak
replaced it's Governor General with a President (it took them 9 years from
1947 to develop a constitution, not that it lasted long). India became a
Republic in 1950, 3 years after independence.
Anyway, the Sultan insisted he would only negotiate with the UK, not
Pakistan. The UK tried to explain that Pak was independent...
By 1956 Pak got itself a president, and the sultan began negotiaitons, and
in 1958 Gwadar was sold for GBP3million.
Interestingly, this was almost simultaneous with the Nehru-Noon accords
which attempted to solve all Indo-Pak boundfary disputes, including the
enclave exchange and the Berubari issue ( a salient of Indian land into East
Pakistan, which Pak claimed. It was decided to halve it, but opponentsi n
India blocked the division in the courts for 12 years unitl Bangladesh was
independent).
As for a Tin Bigha map, sovereignty remains Indian 24-7, although
Bangladeshis can cross for 10 hours during the day (except lunchhour).
The corridor is fenced off on all sidew however, particularly on the
Bangladesh sides. to see the map, you gotta buy the thesis... :-)
BW
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>Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:09:41 -0000
> From: "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>
>Subject: Re: Enclave thesis
>
>It's new news to me.
>
>Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad State
>University. K'grad Russians are more than preoccupied with their
>status. "Enclave" for them means being the poorest of all Baltic
>states...
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@y...>
>wrote:
> > Have y'all seen this?
> >
> > http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14
> >
> > My apologies if it is old news...
> >
> > Mats
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:24:36 +1000
> From: "Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>
>Subject: boundaries and roads in Australia
>
>You can of course read in excruciating depth about Tin Bigha in my thesis.
>I
>even have maps of it.
>
>In the Melbourne paper The Age yesterday were 100 interesting facts of
>motoring history, including of interest to boundaryfreaks:
>
>84. Sydney-Melbourne [ie NSW/Victoria] rivalry may have beguin in 1861 when
>Victorians constructed a bridge over the Murray at Echuca, luring Riverina
>trade to Victoria.
>86. When the Murray River was bridged at Echuca in 1878 by a rail bridge,
>it
>was stormed on opening day by local residents who forced it to be open to
>all traffic.
>98. In 1904 South Australia set a general speed limit of 25kmh, although
>councils could raise the level to 30kmh, which meant different speed limits
>could apply on either side of the same road.
>
>BW
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>Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:38:31 -0000
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@...>
>Subject: Re: IndoBangla Exclaves - again
>
>a cool thing about the tin bigha corridor is that even tho it isnt a
>real condominium territory with joint international sovereignty like
>the worlds 6 other known condo areas
>it is still a pretty fair likeness of an actual time share condo
>
>& thus its 4 alternating tripoints
>situated as they are at the 4 corners of this football field shape
>& suggesting the image of 4way flashers blinking on & off there in
>unison as the territory changes hands
>are perhaps more nearly real than imaginary
>
>so meet bdbdininn bdbdinine bdbdininw & bdbdinins
>the worlds first known complete news tour of tripoint clones
>
>& since there is evidently nothing else in the world anything like
>them
>they do comprise yet another perfect set of 4 & only 4 members for
>the bp invitational square dance of world rarities
>
>m
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > I just found this in a book review for a book entitled Indo-Bangla
> > Mistrust:
> >
> > The Tin Bigha Corridor is no larger than a football field. The
> > Nehru-Noon accord of September 3, 1958 provided for a
>straightforward
> > exchange of enclaves between India and East Pakistan. A formal
> > agreement was signed thereafter on September 10, 1958. Besides the
> > exchange, Berubari was to be split horizontally and equally. But
>the
> > notification in respect of Berubari was never issued by India.
>Under
> > the 1974 accord between Indira Gandhi and Mujibur Rehman, India
>agreed
> > only to lease in perpetuity to Bangladesh an area of approximately
>178
> > metres by 85 metres near Tin Bigha to connect Bangladesh with its
> > enclave Dahagram. Agreement on the terms of the lease was reached
>in
> > 1982. Only in 1992 could it be implemented.
> >
> > The same holds good for the two newly formed tiny deltaic islands
> > which India calls New Moore and Bangladesh calls South Talpatty.
>They
> > were discovered by a U.S. satellite in 1974 and became an issue in
>the
> > maritime boundary talks in 1979. Bangladesh claims that in May 1979
> > Prime Minister Morarji Desai agreed with the Deputy Prime Minister
>of
> > Bangladesh, who had called on him, to hold a joint survey. However,
>on
> > April 9, 1980 Indira Gandhi claimed that the islets belonged to
>India.
> >
> > They lie at the mouth of the Hariabhanga River
>which
> > separates the two countries. They are mudflats with no human or
>animal
> > life. In 1974 India and Bangladesh signed an agreement on the
> > demarcation of the land boundary between the two countries. A
>maritime
> > boundary agreement is yet to be concluded. It will define Bangla-
> > desh's Exclusive Eco-nomic Zone (EEZ), sandwiched as the
>country
> > is between India and Myanmar.
>
>
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>Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:14:59 -0000
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@...>
>Subject: Re: boundaries and roads in Australia
>
>hey brendan
>i am way over my head as usual but
>could you just beam us the corridor map so we can at least see if the
>purported 4way flashers on the corners work properly as a news tour
>
>also it occurs to me
>different speed limits frequently do apply on different sides of the
>same road
>simply because the 2 sides are facing in opposite directions
>& are thus practically everywhere presenting entirely different
>specific conditions for determining safe driving speed & speed limits
>generally
>tho i admit that was the only part of that freakin history i even
>temporarily imagined i understood the point of
>
>m
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@p...> wrote:
> > You can of course read in excruciating depth about Tin Bigha in my
>thesis. I
> > even have maps of it.
> >
> > In the Melbourne paper The Age yesterday were 100 interesting facts
>of
> > motoring history, including of interest to boundaryfreaks:
> >
> > 84. Sydney-Melbourne [ie NSW/Victoria] rivalry may have beguin in
>1861 when
> > Victorians constructed a bridge over the Murray at Echuca, luring
>Riverina
> > trade to Victoria.
> > 86. When the Murray River was bridged at Echuca in 1878 by a rail
>bridge, it
> > was stormed on opening day by local residents who forced it to be
>open to
> > all traffic.
> > 98. In 1904 South Australia set a general speed limit of 25kmh,
>although
> > councils could raise the level to 30kmh, which meant different
>speed limits
> > could apply on either side of the same road.
> >
> > BW
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:55:26 -0000
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@...>
>Subject: Re: Enclave thesis
>
>nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i couldnt
>quite see how the author figured the experience would be of value to
>the entire world
>
>also i was interested to see that he cited catudal but evidently
>demurred from using the pene word when semi & quasi were clearly
>better
>
>m
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > It's new news to me.
> >
> > Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad State
> > University. K'grad Russians are more than preoccupied with their
> > status. "Enclave" for them means being the poorest of all Baltic
> > states...
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Have y'all seen this?
> > >
> > > http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14
> > >
> > > My apologies if it is old news...
> > >
> > > Mats
>
>
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>Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:15:47 -0000
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@...>
>Subject: Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
>
>there you have done it again
>for this is a far better map than the one i saw but couldnt recover
>& which also placed the tripoint in about the same position
>apparently just a short distance inland & thus a bit above the foot
>or mouth of pelican ghaut if the depiction is deliberate & accurate
>m
>
>er
>any idea what a ghaut is
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > acroorca2002 wrote:
> > "(...)today montserrat has a new map up on the net i cant find just
> > now featuring no parishes but 3 new zones called dangerous &
>moderate
> > & safe & these even have a freakin tripoint
> > an explosive new sort of fiat tripoint
> > wish i could find it tho(...)"
> >
> > Do you mean
> >
>http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/west.indies/soufriere/govt/miscdocs/i
> > mages/vrm_sept1997_3c.gif ? Then Pelican Ghaut is the place here.
> >
> > Peter S.
>
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: <amar6277@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
>
>ghaut must be from the language 'Hindi' where it means
>a place next to a water body where people assemble to
>take bath or a place where washermen collectively wash
>clothes. I can recall an MRT (elevated rail) station
>called 'Dhoby Ghaut' in Singapore. Dhoby means a
>washerman in 'Hindi'
>
>--- acroorca2002 <orc@...> wrote:
> > there you have done it again
> > for this is a far better map than the one i saw but
> > couldnt recover
> > & which also placed the tripoint in about the same
> > position
> > apparently just a short distance inland & thus a bit
> > above the foot
> > or mouth of pelican ghaut if the depiction is
> > deliberate & accurate
> > m
> >
> > er
> > any idea what a ghaut is
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl"
> > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > acroorca2002 wrote:
> > > "(...)today montserrat has a new map up on the net
> > i cant find just
> > > now featuring no parishes but 3 new zones called
> > dangerous &
> > moderate
> > > & safe & these even have a freakin tripoint
> > > an explosive new sort of fiat tripoint
> > > wish i could find it tho(...)"
> > >
> > > Do you mean
> > >
> >
>http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/west.indies/soufriere/govt/miscdocs/i
> > > mages/vrm_sept1997_3c.gif ? Then Pelican Ghaut is
> > the place here.
> > >
> > > Peter S.
> >
> >
>
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