Subject: Re: Enclave thesis
Date: Apr 12, 2002 @ 21:43
Author: lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> well it is nice to hear what you wish & enjoy len
>
> yet being of value to the entire world wasnt immaterial to the
author
> who expressly wished & claimed it for his thesis
> & it is perhaps the best idea in the paper
> so i was following that part with the greatest interest
> for it certainly feels good to imagine that anyone or anything could
> be of value to the entire world
> & indeed to wish that for oneself & ones action
> so if anyone did understand better what the author meant in this
> regard i would still like to rehear your idea of this thesis
> which has frankly eluded me
> thats all
> whether it is immaterial for you or not
> m
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Mr. Vinokurov's document made interesting reading. I think it is
> > useful for anyone in the world who needs a primer on how to
catalog
> > things. It is rich in upper level assessments, but like so many
> other
> > writings on enclaves, it doesn't dealve into the "nitty-gritty" of
> > people's lives in them. For instance, if you live in an exclave,
> and
> > have to call an ambulance, can it come from the adjacent country?
> Who
> > pays the bill and how, in the case of medical insurance carriers.
> > Does an exclave resident need a work permit to work in the
adjacent
> > country? If Dutch tanks rolled in and occupied a farmfield in
> Baarle
> > that belonged to Belgium, would Belgium be allowed to violate the
> NL -
> > B border to help it's exclave? I experienced two such incidents,
> one
> > in Baarle - where a neighbor called the police to turn down the
> volume
> > of a crowd at a party a couple of doors away - the other house was
> in
> > a foreign country - the police department that was called couldn't
> do
> > anything once they arrived and found the house wasn't in their
> > country. In Buesingen, I once tried to use US military gas
coupons
> at
> > the Esso station - the coupons are good at any Esso and BP station
> in
> > Germany - but not at the one in Busingen. Why? Because, gas in
> > Busingen is priced in Swiss currency, taxed at German rates in the
> > Swiss Franc equivalent, and the gas station's source of supply is
> > Swiss.
> >
> > Im not levying a criticism of Mr. Vinokurov's work by my message,
> just
> > wishing someone would write up local stories like those from
> exclaves
> > they've visited - to get depth on the subject rather than high
> level
> > catgorizations of what exclaves are in ever varying compilations
of
> > words that basically repeat the same subject matter.
> >
> > Mr. Vinokurov's work did expose a couple new situations I'll have
> fun
> > getting into, and for that I am grateful he wrote his piece and
> that
> > someone here posted it. Whether it matters to the world at large
> is
> > immaterial.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > LN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> couldnt
> > > quite see how the author figured the experience would be of
value
> to
> > > the entire world
> > >
> > > also i was interested to see that he cited catudal but evidently
> > > demurred from using the pene word when semi & quasi were clearly
> > > better
> > >
> > > m
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > It's new news to me.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad State
> > > > University. K'grad Russians are more than preoccupied with
> their
> > > > status. "Enclave" for them means being the poorest of all
> Baltic
> > > > states...
> > > >
> > > > Peter S.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Ernst Stavro Blofeld
> <blofeld_es@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Have y'all seen this?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14
> > > > >
> > > > > My apologies if it is old news...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mats