Your and my estimations of the tripoint location are quite close. What
makes you think, though, that this is on a "fairly steep gradient," when
the darkness in both photos shows the presence of water--especially when
compared with the photo when the area was dry? I perceive it as a wet
flat of combined mud and salt, with the darkest areas being shallow
standing salt water. I take your arrowhead and the other scarifications
to be the vestiges of flood flows that washed down from the steeps and
deposited their sedimentary load in weird patterns in what was standing
water at the time, but that rise a few mucky inches above the water at
the level depicted. Your arrowhead seems to me a delta.
Lowell G..
McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@yahoo. com>
To: <BoundaryPoint@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
definitely elusive
> or better yet
> since the google satpic ultimately gives much more
> detailed topo isography than the encarta map
> provided it is aimed & centered correctly
> as it is here to the best of my & its combined ability
>
> http://maps. google.com/ ?ie=UTF8& om=1&z=14& ll=41.317206, 55.994568& spn=0.031588, 0..058708& t=h
> i would now go so far as to make kztmuz somewhere very
> near the tip of the distinctive symmetrical arrowhead
> cum needle tip centered there
> when zoomed all the way in
>
> & thus very likely on at least fairly steep gradient
>
> clear & credible down to fairly narrow parameters but
> still only so far
> admittedly
>
> but how does that compare with the position predicted
> or indicated by your restricted source
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> but it is clear as well as credible
>> when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography &
>> boundaries
>>
> http://encarta. msn.com/encnet/ features/ mapcenter/ map.aspx? TextLatitude= 41.3995131601844 76&TextLongitude =56.029051315699 746&TextAltitude =8&TextSelectedE ntity=10107400& SearchEnc= false&MapStyle= Comprehensive& MapSize=Medium& MapStyleSelected Index=0&searchTe xtMap=goklenkuyu &MapStylesList= Comprehensive& ZoomOnMapClickCh eck=on&ResultsLi stbox=43. 2899541104997% 3B59.24120180380 95%3B5%3B1010740 0%3BQoraqalpoghi ston+%28autonomo us+republic% 29%2C+Uzbekistan %3BMedium% 3BComprehensive
>> & compare google for photography
>>
> http://maps. google.com/ ?ie=UTF8& z=10&ll=41. 307729,55. 994568&spn= 0.505475, 0.939331& t=h&om=1
>> that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in the
>> salt lake
>> but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
>> between
>> as for example in these neighborhood views
>> at top in each case
>> http://www.stantour s.com/tm_ syl_ee_kap. html
>> http://www.ayan- travel.com/ tm_syl_ee_ kap.html
>>
>> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue. net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
>> > for
>> > > me. I'm not clear
>> > > on what you're getting when you go to them.
>> >
>> > great
>> > i still get nothing
>> > or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
>> white
>> > screen
>> > both normally & also when i try to go via my
>> hotmail
>> > account
>> > which for some reason doesnt activate any links at
>> > all
>> >
>> > but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
>> > so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
>> > you
>> > are talking about
>> > or help us out of your predicament some other way
>> >
>> > but in any case
>> > whatever you may be seeing there
>> > please understand i dont think we are talking
>> about
>> > a
>> > salt pan here
>> > whether wet or dry
>> > nor any crack or sink
>> > etymological speculations to the contrary
>> > nothwithstanding
>> > but a fairly vertical palisade
>> > at or near the location of the tripoint
>> > which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
>> even
>> > right on the edge of the plateau
>> >
>> > perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano estacado
>> > but
>> > only moreso
>> >
>> > > Apparently, though, one
>> > > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
>> > > It's free, but you must
>> > > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in
>> is
>> > an
>> > > MSN Hotmail, MSN
>> > > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all of
>> > > which are free). Any
>> > > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
>> > log
>> > > in. I have mine set
>> > > to automatically remember me and log me in
>> > whenever
>> > > I go to a site that
>> > > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
>> > required.
>> > >
>> > > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
>> has
>> > > several advantages
>> > > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
>> > own).
>> > > Also, Live Local
>> > > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
>> > > close-ups, but they're newer
>> > > than those at TerraServer, and you can
>> dynamically
>> > > pan and zoom them
>> > > with your mouse (just like you can with the
>> > > satellite photos on Live
>> > > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
>> the
>> > > price of admission!
>> > >
>> > > Lowell G. McManus
>> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@yahoo. com>
>> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@ yahoogroups. com>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> > > reportedly undelineated &
>> > > definitely elusive
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > sounds interesting but
>> > > > is this tinyurl working normally
>> > > >
>> > > > it quickly redirects my browser to
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://local. live.com/ default.aspx? v=2&cp=41. 619802~54. 78123&style= h&lvl=7&scene= 1004144
>> > > > but this page then does nothing
>> > > > just like its main page also does
>> > > > http://local. live.com/
>> > > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
>> > > > whatever it may be or mean
>> > > >
>> > > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working
>> fine
>> > > >
>> > > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue. net>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of
>> the
>> > > >> tripoint on Windows Live
>> > > >> Local at http://tinyurl. com/lw7uy . This one
>> > > shows
>> > > >> depression along the
>> > > >> Chink Kaplankyr without water. The
>> boundaries
>> > > are
>> > > >> better shown and
>> > > >> perhaps more precise than on Google Earth.
>> If
>> > > you
>> > > >> keep zooming in, the
>> > > >> satellite image changes to one from Harris
>> > > >> Corp./Earthstar Geographics
>> > > >> that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter
>> > > >> condition.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Lowell G. McManus
>> > > >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@yahoo. com>
>> > > >> To: <BoundaryPoint@ yahoogroups. com>
>> > > >> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> > > >> reportedly undelineated &
>> > > >> definitely elusive
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > not sure about the etymology nor the degree
>> > of
>> > > >> > generality
>> > > >> > but chink is evidently at least the local
>> > > probably
>> > > >> > kazak or russian name for any edge of this
>> > > crumbly
>> > > >> > ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr
>> spur
>> > is
>> > > a
>> > > >> part
>> > > >> > & the word is sometimes translated as
>> > > >> > abrupt seashore
>> > > >> > or abrupt border
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > here is a picture of a nearby but probably
>> > > >> different
>> > > >> > chink
>> > > >> > with a resident skink i think
>> > > >> > http://www.atyrau- city.kz/KCS/ Book1/012. jpg
>> > > >> > or perhaps it is the same chink but a
>> > different
>> > > >> spur
>> > > >> > named mangystau in this case
>> > > >> > but in any case a few hundred km to the
>> > > northwest
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> > kztmuz
>> > > >> > & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the
>> > same
>> > > >> plateau
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://encarta. msn.com/encnet/ features/ mapcenter/ map.aspx? TextLatitude= 39.45&TextLongit ude=-98.907& TextAltitude= 0&TextSelectedEn tity=39070& SearchEnc= false&MapStyle= Comprehensive& MapSize=Medium& MapStyleSelected Index=0&searchTe xtMap=mangystau& MapStylesList= Comprehensive& ZoomOnMapClickCh eck=on
>> > > >> >
>>
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