yes indeed
& without implying that i disagree either
but as i too have already observed in many ways
defining membership in the world class as nothing more
nor less than membership in the united nations general
assembly is already an improvisation & a compromise
but for purposes of our admittedly fantastic global
multipointing game & its objective hierarchies
we dont appear to have anything better or more
convenient for establishing the all important top
level
& of course the true arbiter of national sovereignty
is oneself
the equally important or rather even more important
ground level
any group or even any single individual who claims to
be a sovereign & independent nation is
ipso facto
desire it & allow it
& it is
just that simple
you dont even need to be an armed gang or have any
turf to defend
nor do you need anyone elses agreement or permission
however
this ultimate truth throws our beloved game on its ear
the race to turtle bay is the race to world class
multipoint status as it has evolved here at bp only
as a reflection of consensus reality
& is not at all a reflection of actual reality
in which everyone is equally sovereign because
everyone is equally divine
the race to turtle bay is only a game within a game
& the oddsgiving & bookmaking are only another game
within that
i for one dont take any of this seriously but it is
awfully fun
now how about somebody placing a bet already
i will honor anyones verbal marker on any of these
turtles for up to a dollar
--- "Lowell G. McManus" <
lgm@...> wrote:
> Those are all good points.
>
> However, you gave odds on a race to Turtle Bay.
> That is the only reason
> that I discussed the rebalkanization of the Balkans
> in such terms. I
> have never regarded the UN very highly, and I
> certainly don't consider
> it the arbiter of national sovereignty. If a
> broadly recognized new
> nation choose not to join the UN, or if an
> established nation got miffed
> and quit it, neither would be less a sovereign
> nation nor less capable
> of tripoints. (By so stating, I don't mean imply
> that you would
> disagree.)
>
> Diglyphs and UN seats might be convenient tools for
> tripointers, but we
> must be prepared to improvise otherwise when the
> situation demands.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway
> montenegro tripoints are
> looking like the winners
>
>
> > thanx
> > all good points
> > which further inform & hedge my handicapping
> > assessment that practically anything could still
> > happen on the way to turtle bay
> >
> > & of course it is the new tripoints & their
> promotion
> > to the world class
> > that we are most interested in here
> > rather than simply the birth or rebirth of these 2
> new
> > countries & their newly international border
> >
> > & yes of course
> > what i have been calling the new breakaway
> montenegro
> > tripoints for want of a better name are in fact
> just
> > as much the new breakaway serbia tripoints
> > even tho it is technically & sentimentally
> montenegro
> > who has divorced serbia rather than vice versa
> >
> > more accurate would be just to think of them as
> > t h e
> > 2 new tricountry points
> >
> > part of the difficulty here btw is that we dont
> yet
> > have & cant even yet imagine the iso digraphs for
> > these 2 new countries
> > let alone the resulting tripoint hexaglyphs
> > so the terminology is still very crude compared to
> our
> > usual coding
> >
> >
> > & to try to answer your question
> >
> > when the czechoslovakian seat for example split
> into
> > the separate czech & slovak seats
> > which is the best & most exact analogy & precedent
> i
> > can think of
> > each was admitted into the general assembly as a
> new
> > entity on the same day
> > perhaps even simultaneously in photo finish mode
> for
> > all i know
> > & their old seat was simply abandoned
> > much like their old iso digraph
> > which neither of them actually inherited either
> >
> > but not every rump seat & iso digraph have been
> > reinvented at turtle bay when breakaway seats &
> > digraphs have been created
> >
> > & i think we have only been using united nations
> > membership as the defining characteristic of the
> world
> > class because that is the global consensus view of
> it
> > while allowing for or perhaps rather ignoring the
> > inconvenient exceptions of taiwan & vatican city
> >
> > if there were a better way to acknowledge the
> > tripointing hierarchy
> > & to rightly recognize the world class or top
> level of
> > it
> > i think we should find & use it
> >
> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Putin can decry "separatist territorial
> pretenses"
> >> all he wishes (as
> >> well he probably should from his point of view),
> but
> >> the independence of
> >> Montenegro is hardly a pretense. Under the 2003
> >> Constitutional Charter
> >> of Serbia and Montenegro, either of the two
> >> republics was entitled to
> >> hold a referendum on separation after three
> years.
> >> What Montenegro is
> >> doing is strictly by-the-book.
> >>
> >> As for the race to Turtle Bay: As the
> Montenegrins
> >> divorce the
> >> Serbians, each party becomes as single as the
> other.
> >> Will Serbia be
> >> allowed to inherit the existing S&M seat while
> >> Montenegro has to apply
> >> anew, or will both Serbia and Montenegro need to
> be
> >> admitted anew?
> >> Please remember that it took the UN from 1992 to
> >> 2000 to admit the rump
> >> Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (renamed Serbia
> and
> >> Montenegro in 2003)
> >> in lieu of the former Socialist Federative
> Republic
> >> of Yugoslavia after
> >> Slovenia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and
> Macedonia
> >> had departed.
> >>
> >> Lowell G. McManus
> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
> >> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:42 AM
> >> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro
> >> tripoints are looking
> >> like the winners
> >>
> >>
> >> > but the race to turtle bay cant actually be won
> >> until the general
> >> > assembly reconvenes in
> >> > the fall
> >> >
> >> > & tho no other contenders have emerged from the
> >> pack or seem at all
> >> > likely to do so at
> >> > this point
> >> > yet there are complications ahead
> >> >
> >> > for example
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=137&newsid=89607&ch=0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > still i would give even money now
> >> > on either the montenegro prospects or all the
> >> others combined
> >> > to win
> >> >
> >> > as opposed to placing or showing
> >> >
> >> > or finishing at all
> >> >
> >> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia
> >> kallos <aletheiak@...>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> margin of victory if any is razor thin tho
> >> >> in race to turtle bay
> >> >> & official result of photo finish wont be
> known
> >> til
> >> >> morning
>
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