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--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Burke" <billb@...> wrote:
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> Please let me know have to join the above group, I am finding the
> current general output from our group is disappointing
>
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> From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Murray/Border
> Films
> Sent: 22 February 2006 04:44
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Unable to deliver your message
>
>
> Too bad, Mr. Multiple Personalities....
>
> Many people have left Boundary Point for the safe harbour of
Border
> Point for one reason: YOU!
>
> There is no reason that your silliness should ruin this group.
>
> And why, Michael, would you have to create fake personalities to
post
> here. There was never a Donner ban.
>
> Go away. You and your fake personalities are not welcome.
>
>
>
>
> jim van dura wrote:
> > hahaha
> > well it looks like jimi & mmvi have both been canned
> > from borderpoint
> > tho it is unclear yet whether it was for taste or
> > content or behaviour
> >
> > or hopefully some combination of all 3
> >
> > but here below
> > following the automatic notification
> > is the rejected post
> > so you can be the judge
> >
> > be aware tho
> > any multipointing implications in all this are purely
> > incidental
> > & would only involve the terminal tripoints of this
> > new eez boundary in any case
> > with everyones land in both cases
> >
> > dkelnon & dkelnos respectively
> > from top to bottom
> >
> >
> > farewell & best wishes to all there
> >
> > & thanx to all here for being here in any case
> >
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> > > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:10:55 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: jim van dura <jimvandura@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Re: DKNO signed today
> > > To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > > Right, and by that definition the continental shelf
> > > includes the entire EEZ, so, generally, every UNLOS
> > > "continental shelf boundary" except an "extended"
> > > one
> > > is also an EEZ boundary. (Hence the distinction. And
> > > you are right about there being a very few slight
> > > and
> > > odd exceptions.) Nor, obviously, is this the natural
> > > continental shelf UNLOS is talking about here, since
> > > THAT begins at the shoreline and only occasionally
> > > extends 200nm seaward. In the present case, as
> > > Jesper's map further suggests by its blue-to-white
> > > coloration of the seas (and now Peter's too by its
> > > gold), the natural continental shelves have pretty
> > > much ended before either the EEZ boundary or the
> > > 200nm
> > > limits are reached in this area. (Also, I think it
> > > is
> > > clear that any earlier agreement is still in full
> > > effect unless specifically changed or revoked.)
> > > Cheers! --Jv
> > >
> > > --- Anton Zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear "Jim",
> > > >
> > > > yes, the inner "limit" of an "extended"
> > > continental
> > > > shelf is the 200
> > > > nm line. But according to Art 76 UNCLOS "the
> > > > continental shelf
> > > > comprises the seabed and subsoil of the submarine
> > > > areas that extend
> > > > beyond its territorial sea". Thus the continental
> > > > shelf extends from
> > > > the outer line of the territorial sea either to
> > > the
> > > > 200 nm or, if
> > > > the circumstances allow it, beyond that. Thus, up
> > > > until 200 nm both
> > > > the EEZ (if declared) and the CS exist parallel.
> > > >
> > > > One boundary can delimit both, or there can be
> > > > diverging lines (see
> > > > e.g. Australia/PNG in the Torres Strait) or just a
> > > > boundary for one
> > > > of the zones (see e.g. UK/France).
> > > >
> > > > Since the signatories to the 1920 convention have
> > > > fishing rights off
> > > > Svalbard/Spitsbergen, it is not unreasonable to
> > > > assume that they
> > > > might at least be consulted when there is some
> > > kind
> > > > of limitation or
> > > > delimitation of these rights.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, jim van dura
> > > > <jimvandura@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi! As the map indicates the 200nm limits, this
> > > > could
> > > > > only be an EEZ boundary. (The inner limit of an
> > > > > extended continental shelf is the 200nm line
> > > which
> > > > > marks the outer edge of an EEZ. In areas like
> > > this
> > > > > where an EEZ is less than 200nm wide since it
> > > > > terminates at a boundary with another state,
> > > there
> > > > can
> > > > > be no extended continental shelf claim or
> > > > boundary.)
> > > > > And, the news report appears to indicate this
> > > was
> > > > > indeed a conventional (i.e., bilateral) "Law of
> > > > the
> > > > > Sea" agreement. (Nor can I think of any reason
> > > for
> > > > the
> > > > > other signatories of Spitsbergen 1920 to have
> > > > gotten
> > > > > involved with it.) Cheers! --Jimi
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Anton Zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this an EEZ or a Continental Shelf
> > > boundary?
> > > > Or
> > > > > > both?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you know whether the signatories of the
> > > > > > Spitsbergen Treaty of
> > > > > > 1920 were involved in the negotiations in any
> > > > way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is unclear whether the treaty
> > > > applies
> > > > > > to the EEZ and
> > > > > > CS as well (since it speaks only of fisheries
> > > > rights
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > territorial sea), but a majority of scholars
> > > and
> > > > > > signatories appears
> > > > > > to support the notion that it does, as far as
> > > I
> > > > am
> > > > > > aware.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anton
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> > > > > > Nielsen/Borderbase"
> > > > > > <jesper@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Map:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/42AA838F-904E-46AD-AE2E-
> > > > > > 611A04922CF4/0/Kortski
> > > > > > > tseendelbilagtiloverenskomsten160106.pdf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jesper
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
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