Please let me know have to join the above group, I am finding the current general output from our group is disappointing

From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murray/Border Films
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Too bad, Mr. Multiple Personalities.... Many people have left Boundary Point for the safe harbour of Border Point for one reason: YOU! There is no reason that your silliness should ruin this group. And why, Michael, would you have to create fake personalities to post here. There was never a Donner ban. Go away. You and your fake personalities are not welcome. jim van dura wrote: > hahaha > well it looks like jimi & mmvi have both been canned > from borderpoint > tho it is unclear yet whether it was for taste or > content or behaviour > > or hopefully some combination of all 3 > > but here below > following the automatic notification > is the rejected post > so you can be the judge > > be aware tho > any multipointing implications in all this are purely > incidental > & would only involve the terminal tripoints of this > new eez boundary in any case > with everyones land in both cases > > dkelnon & dkelnos respectively > from top to bottom > > > farewell & best wishes to all there > > & thanx to all here for being here in any case > > --- Yahoo! Groups <notify@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Date: 21 Feb 2006 22:10:56 -0000 > > To: jimvandura@... > > From: Yahoo! Groups <notify@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Unable to deliver your message > > > > > > We are unable to deliver the message from > > <jimvandura@...> > > to <borderpoint@yahoogroups.com>. > > > > The email address used to send your message is not > > subscribed to this > > group. If you are a member of this group, please be > > aware that you may > > only send messages to this group using the email > > address(es) you have > > registered with Yahoo! Groups. Yahoo! Groups allows > > you to send messages > > using the email address you originally used to > > register, or an alternate > > email address you specify in your personal settings. > > > > If you would like to subscribe to this group: > > 1. visit > > href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/join">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/join > > -OR- > > 2. send email to > > borderpoint-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > For further assistance, please visit > > href="http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/">http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ > > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:10:55 -0800 (PST) > > From: jim van dura <jimvandura@...> > > Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Re: DKNO signed today > > To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com > > > > Right, and by that definition the continental shelf > > includes the entire EEZ, so, generally, every UNLOS > > "continental shelf boundary" except an "extended" > > one > > is also an EEZ boundary. (Hence the distinction. And > > you are right about there being a very few slight > > and > > odd exceptions.) Nor, obviously, is this the natural > > continental shelf UNLOS is talking about here, since > > THAT begins at the shoreline and only occasionally > > extends 200nm seaward. In the present case, as > > Jesper's map further suggests by its blue-to-white > > coloration of the seas (and now Peter's too by its > > gold), the natural continental shelves have pretty > > much ended before either the EEZ boundary or the > > 200nm > > limits are reached in this area. (Also, I think it > > is > > clear that any earlier agreement is still in full > > effect unless specifically changed or revoked.) > > Cheers! --Jv > > > > --- Anton Zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear "Jim", > > > > > > yes, the inner "limit" of an "extended" > > continental > > > shelf is the 200 > > > nm line. But according to Art 76 UNCLOS "the > > > continental shelf > > > comprises the seabed and subsoil of the submarine > > > areas that extend > > > beyond its territorial sea". Thus the continental > > > shelf extends from > > > the outer line of the territorial sea either to > > the > > > 200 nm or, if > > > the circumstances allow it, beyond that. Thus, up > > > until 200 nm both > > > the EEZ (if declared) and the CS exist parallel. > > > > > > One boundary can delimit both, or there can be > > > diverging lines (see > > > e.g. Australia/PNG in the Torres Strait) or just a > > > boundary for one > > > of the zones (see e.g. UK/France). > > > > > > Since the signatories to the 1920 convention have > > > fishing rights off > > > Svalbard/Spitsbergen, it is not unreasonable to > > > assume that they > > > might at least be consulted when there is some > > kind > > > of limitation or > > > delimitation of these rights. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, jim van dura > > > <jimvandura@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi! As the map indicates the 200nm limits, this > > > could > > > > only be an EEZ boundary. (The inner limit of an > > > > extended continental shelf is the 200nm line > > which > > > > marks the outer edge of an EEZ. In areas like > > this > > > > where an EEZ is less than 200nm wide since it > > > > terminates at a boundary with another state, > > there > > > can > > > > be no extended continental shelf claim or > > > boundary.) > > > > And, the news report appears to indicate this > > was > > > > indeed a conventional (i.e., bilateral) "Law of > > > the > > > > Sea" agreement. (Nor can I think of any reason > > for > > > the > > > > other signatories of Spitsbergen 1920 to have > > > gotten > > > > involved with it.) Cheers! --Jimi > > > > > > > > --- Anton Zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Is this an EEZ or a Continental Shelf > > boundary? > > > Or > > > > > both? > > > > > > > > > > Do you know whether the signatories of the > > > > > Spitsbergen Treaty of > > > > > 1920 were involved in the negotiations in any > > > way? > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is unclear whether the treaty > > > applies > > > > > to the EEZ and > > > > > CS as well (since it speaks only of fisheries > > > rights > > > > > in the > > > > > territorial sea), but a majority of scholars > > and > > > > > signatories appears > > > > > to support the notion that it does, as far as > > I > > > am > > > > > aware. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper > > > > > Nielsen/Borderbase" > > > > > <jesper@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Map: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/42AA838F-904E-46AD-AE2E-">http://www.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/42AA838F-904E-46AD-AE2E- > > > > > 611A04922CF4/0/Kortski > > > > > > tseendelbilagtiloverenskomsten160106.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Borderbase - your online guide to > > > international > > > > > borders and > > > > > tripoints > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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