the 2 rocks look & act & probably are at least roughly
contemporary
but dont rule out the possibility that the tri states
monument
properly so called & labelled as such
is actually a later capstone upon the natural tri
state rock
also properly so called
which dates from circa 1773 per bus&ss
& is referred to specifically & only as a rock rather
than a monument on the 1882 witness rock
indeed at this point my guess is that the tri states
monument is actually slightly later than the witness
rock
as well as either deliberately stylized for some
reason or else laughably ignorant of the true form of
the trifinial convergency
& the disk does appear to be a further afterthought
but i am pretty sure from recollection that it doesnt
have its own trifinial
die agram
both njny & nypa were completely renovated between
1876 & 1886
per bus&ss & the pdf file that is probably already
truncated below
which reiterates the explanation or definition in
slightly different terms
but the wording on the witness rock really doesnt
strike me as being unusually laborious for a witness
rock
all good thinking & questions tho
for we still dont have anything remotely satisfactory
to explain the already several presumed or known
errors on this funky little tri states monument
& it is a rather unusual monument in many ways
btw i phoned trenton today & they are sending some
njpa maps & other data
so we can look forward to more detail here shortly
but so far nobody could tell me anything about the
actual delineation
--- "Lowell G. McManus" <
lgm@...> wrote:
> Do we know the year that the Tri State Rock was
> installed? Assuming that it and
> the witness monument are not contemporary, the
> laborious explanation on the
> latter was probably devised to correct the known
> waywardness of the former's
> grooves. The USGS bronze disc in the top of the
> former was probably an even
> later addition. It would be interesting to know the
> angles of any die-stamped
> lines that radiate from its central dimple.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes could njpa be a
> condo & thus njnypa & denjpa
> trilines rather than tripoints
>
>
> > thanx pal
> > tho i keep jack parsells book here with me in the
> > flesh at all times
> >
> > & of course it is a big help as usual
> >
> > in this case it says
> > the big monument says
> > on the nj side
> > south 64 degrees west
> > 72 & a quarter feet from this
> > is the tri state rock
> > which is the northwest end of the ny & nj boundary
> &
> > the north end of the nj & pa boundary
> > &
> > on the ny side
> > the corner between ny & pa is in the center of the
> > delaware river
> > 475 feet due west of the tri state rock
> >
> >
> > & it is this text that gives the lie to & indeed
> > trumps the trifinial diagram that is shown on the
> tri
> > state rock that it witnesses & points toward
> >
> > for in that diagram
> > which is also nicely shown in the book
> > the nypa line does not turn due west from the njny
> > terminal point
> > to give ny its proper 209 degree pie slice as
> > correctly shown only on the 100k scale topo
> > but it is actually shown pivoting slightly in the
> > wrong direction
> > & thus erroneously indicating only about 170
> degrees
> > of the pie for ny
> >
> > & i am pretty sure its depiction of the njpa line
> is
> > likewise mistaken
> > whether njpa proves to be a legal condo or not
> > & that only its depiction of the njny line is
> > technically accurate
> >
> >
> > in the meantime too i have done some more checking
> > & have learned that the njpa line is widely
> presumed
> > to run down the middle of the delaware
> > but that the river is in fact at least a joint
> njpa
> > police jurisdiction from bank to bank
> > all the way from new york to delaware
> > whether it proves to be a true territorial condo
> or
> > not
> >
> > & if it does prove to be a territorial condo from
> bank
> > to bank
> > as the 1783 agreement seems to say & as i believe
> has
> > never been changed but only forgotten
> > perhaps
> > then the tri state rock marks the nw corner of
> this
> > condo & the west end of the njnypa triline
> > aka nj&ny&njpa
> > &
> > your mentioned point in the middle of the river
> 475
> > feet due west of the tri state rock marks the east
> end
> > of the njnypa triline
> > aka ny&pa&njpa
> > while the northeast corner of the condo is farther
> due
> > west on the pennsylvania bank
> >
> >
> > & the correspondingly presumptive denjpa triline
> btw
> > down at the other end of the condo
> > unlike the njnypa triline that runs only halfway
> > across the river to the mentioned nypa corner
> > would appear to run from shore to shore at low
> tide
> > because the delaware arc does
> >
> >
> > another interesting detail in this connection
> > or rather the lack of a detail
> > is that i cant find now nor can i recall ever
> having
> > seen a njpa state line sign in the middle of any
> > delaware river bridge
> > but only welcome signs at the respective ends of
> those
> > bridges
> >
> > not that finding one would necessarily prove
> anything
> > but not finding any is rather suspicious
> >
> > or i should say auspicious
> > for a condo
> >
> >
> > & finally
> > we have always found it very peculiar at njnypa to
> > find pa on the left bank at all
> > havent we
> >
> > & in the absence of any legal text placing it
> there
> > so far
> > the only possible reason i can think of for anyone
> to
> > have ever marked it there is
> > to acknowledge not that pa proper has crossed the
> > river
> > but rather only that a njpa condominial territory
> > extends all the way across
> >
> >
> > so at this point
> > i must say
> > i am fairly itching to run down there to port
> jervis
> > again
> > if just to correct the trifinial diagram on the
> rock
> > with my magic marker
> >
> >
> > --- Jack Parsell <jparsell@...> wrote:
> >
> >> With reference to the the July 6, 2005 message,
> you
> >> can refresh your memory
> >> by going to Brian Butler's site,
> >> www.bjbsoftware.com/corners and clicking on
> >> the NJ-NY-PA location on the map. From that page
> >> click on "Jack Parsell's book"
> >> and you will find a paragraph giving the wording
> of
> >> the inscriptions on the big
> >> monument.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: aletheia kallos
> >> To: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:01 AM
> >> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] yikes could njpa be a
> >> condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than
> >> tripoints
> >>
> >>
> >> you may recall spooky mikes recent revisit to
> >> njnypa &
> >> his illustrated question about it
> >>
> >>
> >
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18068
> >> which precipitated this also illustrated
> >> advancement
> >> in the state of play there
> >>
> >>
> >
>
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/7397
> >> but left us with these messy questions
>
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