another nice subltety & subtle nicety there
but i think what you are most likely describing is just the best imaginable class b visit
as in really really undoubtedly being there generally tho thats about the size it
with the target point technically still somewhat elusive to the pointer
be that the index finger or whatever specific body part is pointing & ultimately counting
coup
& only a true & total fingertip or subcentimetric punctiliousness & absoluteness of
discernment & execution would ever really warrant a class a
this however could still theoretically occur under at least one unmarked circumstance
which is
an unmonumented but known to be legal summit tripoint on a literally pointy peak
where the bare mountaintop itself serves informally yet definitely as the tripoint marker &
its millimetric apex point actually marks the unmarked tripoint in just the same way as a
monument apex marks its tripoint
in fact i think i may recently have seen such a pic of an asian tripoint & will look for it
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Wallis" <hugh@o...> wrote:
>
> So if you know that you are correct to within one sq. ft and, assuming that
> your torso covers more than one square foot, you could just lie down on the
> ground and cover the one square foot thereby ensuring you have touched the
> tripoint even if you don't know which molecule of your body actually did it.
> Would this turn a class b into a class a ?
>
>
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>
> From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:35 PM
> To: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl
> improvement
>
>
> lowell
> you may well know better about louisiana & or in
> general & i hope you do
> but the difficulty with your florida example & perhaps
> all of these you mention
> since the question rightly asks & the bill you were
> trying to fit is for more precision rather than just
> more officialness
> is that the available geocoordinates are neither
> officially legal nor precise enough to be more useful
> than say the actual physical landform indications we
> have at czdepl
> or than any other geopositional guesses for that
> matter i suppose
>
> here for example
> http://www.fgdl.org/metadata/fgdc_html/cntbnd.fgdc.htm
> you could probably find at least some quasiofficial
> version of your & our dear glhemaokpa quintipoint
> down to a best guessed square foot i believe
> & despite the disclaimer 2 clicks down that says
> the data included in this application are based on
> interpretation of available info & shouldnt be
> construed as legally binding
> you might still have wanted to conclude you had
> arrived at something on the order of the correct
> square foot
> which would be great since thats about the size of the
> window you would need to stand in
> for a class b try
> but of course it is spurious or haphazard accuracy in
> their case & they pretty well admit it
> while what we are looking for is both full
> authenticity & as much real accuracy as possible
>
> & if you go to the ruling bible in this case
> for the legal descriptions on which their guesses are
> evidently based
> http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute
> <http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=
> Ch0007/ch0007.htm> &URL=Ch0007/ch0007.htm
> looking under glades hendry martin okeechobee & palm
> beach
> you find it is just an indefinite definition & a
> purely hypothetical public land corner that the
> quasiofficial guess is based on
>
>
> & bill & i realized this too btw at the time when we
> visited circa 2000
> but we based our try on the geocoords we were able to
> lovingly pull off the paper usgs topo
> which was a similarly quasiofficial & similarly
> quasireliable source
> we knew full well
> but again it was all we had to go on at the time
> & certainly good enough because this was in the days
> of selective availability
> & even the 2 gps receivers we had on board werent
> enough to be absolutely sure we had the correct
> integral degminsec or 100 foot square
>
> so when we crossed our fingers & dropped our buoy
> there
> it was not only the state of play for glhemaokpa at
> the time but the state of the art for civilian
> multipoint buoy emplacement in general i think
> & no matter that our buoy cable had another 20 feet of
> play in it too
> nor that it was probably too frail to survive the next
> cold front
> let alone a hurricane
>
> & perhaps if we went back today with 2 gpsrs & a fresh
> buoy & cable & cinderblock
> we could hit the likeliest 10 foot square
> thanx just to the loss of selective availability
> but i think based on the above data we could not at
> all yet hit the correct or even the likeliest square
> foot
>
>
> nyonqc is a whole nother matter
> but the end result looks pretty much the same from
> here
>
> in fact after years of research & a personal visit try
> there too
> i have still not yet able to confirm that the turning
> point number 1 shown here
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=18
> <http://topozone.com/map.asp?
z=18&n=4983683&e=525991&s=50&size=l&u=6&datum=n
> ad83&layer=DRG25>
> &n=4983683&e=525991&s=50&size=l&u=6&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
> & geopositioned here
> http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/coordinates/SECT-K-83.txt
> is legally nyonqc
> but as you see
> it is legally specified by the ibc only to the nearest
> degminsecdec or 10 foot square
> so we are at best no better than the middle of lake
> okeechobee without a buoy in the middle of the saint
> lawrence & i suspect in the middle of lake
> pontchartrain too
>
> but if it turns out the usgs is wrong about nyonqc
> there
> which is somewhat likely since i cant find the really
> pertinent canadian confirmation
> & some canadian maps disagree
> then we apparently have even less refinement to our
> nyonqc coords
> whatever they may prove to be based on & ultimately be
>
>
> this question of the true nyonqc location btw is an
> interesting one in its own right
> in case anyone can help answer it
>
>
> but in any case
> does any of this precision gap even matter in the 3
> locations you are talking about
>
> of course not practically
>
> except perhaps when one is making a multipoint visit
> try
>
> & then one is trying ones very best on principle
> presumably
>
> but even then the governing limitations are built into
> the situation as usual
> since you can do no better than whats possible
> whatever that might be
>
> but at czedpl it appears the very probably correct
> square foot is not only possible
> but fairly easily reachable & doable
>
> indeed there one might even fancy & try to wheedle the
> correct square decimeter
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
>
> > Since the CAUS international boundary in the St.
> > Lawrence River is reduced to straight lines and
> > turning points, the New York-Ontario-Québec tripoint
> > should fit the bill. The famed county quintipoint
> > in Lake Okeechobee, Florida, and the lesser-known
> > parish quadripoint in Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana,
> > might also be examples, albeit in wide lakes rather
> > than streams.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hugh Wallis
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:01 AM
> > Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats
> > may be in order for czdepl improvement
> >
> >
> > Just curious - given the uncertainty about the
> > exact location expressed in your analysis, Mike, how
> > would you determine/measure "success" when you say
> > "i can only look forward all the more eagerly to our
> > first amphibious try here because there is now every
> > reason to make one & expect it will be successful "
> >
> > This raises the question of whether you or anyone
> > else here are aware of any similar wet tripoints
> > being defined legally in some more precise (and
> > stationary) manner such as by means of providing
> > Lat/Long coordinates according to some datum (as
> > distinct from your speculated method in this case
> > involving fluvial mid lines which necessarily will
> > change over time) ?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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