Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
Date: Dec 06, 2005 @ 17:27
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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> Just curious - given the uncertainty about the exactof course with most any amphibious or class b try
> location expressed in
> your analysis, Mike, how would you determine/measure
> "success" when you say
> "i can only look forward all the more eagerly to our
> first amphibious try
> here because there is now every reason to make one &
> expect it will be
> successful "
> This raises the question of whether you or anyoneyes many but to begin with a few wetpoints are known
> else here are aware of any
> similar wet tripoints being defined legally in some
> more precise (and
> stationary) manner such as by means of providing
> Lat/Long coordinates
> according to some datum
> speculated method in thisthis is indeed the extreme delicacy of the entire
> case involving fluvial mid lines which necessarily
> will change over time) ?.
> From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comhttp://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_15658238/DE-PL-CZ/19a+Drei+PL+and+CZ+from+
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:21 AM
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats
> may be in order for czdepl
> improvement
>
>
> bravo mike & thanx
>
> i think what is clear now with benefit of your pic
> 17a
> is that when you shot 19a you were either zooming &
> or
> more likely practically leaning out over the river
> to
> get such a tight shot of the creek mouth
>
> so even without getting wet
> you could well have been closer to the true tripoint
> at that moment than anyone reporting here has ever
> reached or indicated before
>
>
> but what is also extremely interesting in what you
> bring now is that
> tho it is necessary to use ones imagination to
> determine the true tripoint position
> & tho the tripoint is imaginary as you say
> in the sense that it isnt directly marked
> it is nevertheless legally defined with considerable
> exactitude
> as the point in the middle of the neisse where it is
> met by the middle of this creek
>
> or so i do believe
> tho i admit i still havent actually seen any of the
> 3
> border treaties in this case
> & am thus still only presuming this description is
> true
> just because it is almost universally the case with
> nonnavigable border stream confluences
>
> but then
> assuming the median lines are the correct borders as
> i
> do
> the question then becomes
> exactly how should one imagine or determine their
> conjunction
>
> & of course just eyeballing them & visualizing where
> they meet is enough for all practical purposes
> since even extending a retractable tape measure
> across
> the neisse & then wading out to put ones finger on
> the
> exactly measured midpoint of it waters isnt likely
> to
> improve perceptibly on anyones best guess from the
> bank
>
> but i think the czpl convergent coming in along the
> dry creek bed is a bit more deceptive than either of
> the other 2 convergents within the neisse centerline
> because this creek comes in not perpendicularly to
> the
> neisse but at an angle
>
> & it is very tempting
> when trying to imagine czdepl
> to just follow & visually gauge also the angle of
> the
> confluent centerline
> until it reaches or would reach the center of the
> mainstream
>
> & this is often if not usually more or less what
> happens too in the case of navigable as opposed to
> nonnavigable border river confluences
>
> the navigation channel of the tributary tends to
> continue angling downstream to a wye junction with
> the
> main navigation channel
> in a geometric format i think many of us may be
> imagining here in the case of czdepl too
>
> but here i think
> based on other similar situations
> it is really a tee rather than a wye junction we are
> looking for in the center of the neisse
> at a point exactly perpendicular to the center of
> the
> wet part of the mouth of the tributary creek
> & not following the angle of the creek
> as its lilliputian navigation channel might have
> done
>
> & granted both these centerlines must change
> constantly albeit slightly
> depending on the variable widths & positions of the
> water streams at any given moment
> so this is a living mobile tripoint we are looking
> for
> here rather than a stationary one
> even if it is living & moving about in a rather
> limited area
> perhaps no larger than the size of the person wading
> out to try to find & reach her
> so not of much real consequence to anyone trying for
> a
> class b visit as in basically being there
> because
> tho they might never place their finger on the
> exactly
> true tripoint of the moment
> & tho the midline trijunction point might move away
> over time from where it presently is
> they will know at least that some part of their body
> is undoubtedly on the tripoint
> both in the moment & probably for a good long time
> to
> come
> even if not until the end of the history of czdepl
>
>
> so therefore
> as i gaze & imagine more intently into your 19a
> tight
> shot of the creek mouth
>
> DE.jpg?bcV3DlDBEm2Vcgtwhttp://nicolette.dk/borderbase/tpphoto3/036055114.jpg
> or if the link fails please see borderpoint file pic
> number 2
> i see czdepl come into focus not at bottom center
> as i previously did when i cheered prematurely
> but actually at if not perhaps just beyond the lower
> right corner of that lovely frame
>
> or in terms of our maiden visit to this tripoint &
> jespers premier tripoint pic
>
> the tripoint position according to the above=== message truncated ===
> reckoning
> now looks to be just beside the bulge on his right
> hip
> if it is not actually hidden behind his back
>
> & i think your visit here mike marks a considerable
> advancement in the state of play at czdepl
> & so much so that i can only look forward all the
> more
> eagerly to our first amphibious try here
> because there is now every reason to make one &
> expect
> it will be successful
>
> --- xachary04 <xachary04@...> wrote:
>
> > I added photo 17a in BorderPoint Photos for a
> closer
> > shot of the
> > imaginary tripoint in the middle of the river.
> > Hopefully, this
> > photo will help determine the actual tripoint.
> >
> > The dry creek bed between CZ and PL seems to be
> the
> > actual boundary.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I didn't reach the actual tripoint
> as
> > I didn't want
>