thank you doctor
we have reason to believe it may actually be monumented tho
if you noticed
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...>
wrote:
>
> Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle prevails here. To locate a tripoint in a
> "non-demarcated" situation, together with rather unspecific treaties, and
> markers that are memorials rather than monuments (in the American sense of
> the word)is a sheer impossibility. Using "the best available maps" means
> therefore operating with undue precision. Hence, every arguing is a waste of
> time.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheiak
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2005 16:53
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now
> too
>
>
> hahahaaah
> but we use the best available maps all the time my dear
> mumble bumblish
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > The "relevance" was relating to your unusual seriousness with which you
> > referred to Soviet maps. As I skip 99% of your stories, you are well
> invited
> > to skip all of mine!
> > Looking forward to more grumbling gibberish,
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheiak
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2005 14:04
> > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now
> > too
> >
> >
> > thanx for your kind wishes wolfgang
> > tho i have to note the rest of your response is oranges to my apples
> > as i was asking about the fully accepted common tripoint of 3 independent
> > countries
> > only one of which is even a postsoviet republic
> > & you are answering here about internal soviet & postsoviet borders &
> > disorders
> > while singing admittedly wretched old tunes well worth skipping again in
> > their own right
> > even if they hadnt been irrelevant to my question & our common topic
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> > <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "What is the truth here"? You allude to a common feature of Soviet - and
> > > also "modern" Russian management of bordes/boundaries: Nobody knows for
> > > sure. In addition: Borders are shifted per ???? - Ukáz - decree, in
> > > Stalinistic times sometimes in the form of a telegram without previous
> > > announcements/consultation; you can imagine how "accurate" these were.
> > >
> > > A nice example is offered by the ongoing quarrel between Ingushetiya and
> > > North-Ossetia over the Progorodnyj district, where borders have
> repeatedly
> > > been shifted back and forth so often that the local people decided to
> > ignore
> > > all this and start fighting against each other. You may also refer to
> > > http://www.ingush.ru/d.asp where all this misery is displayed in
> splendor.
> > >
> > > Right now discussions are going on in the Duma to reduce the number of
> > > Russian "subjects" by combining some of them to greater units, in order
> to
> > > minimize administration costs. You may wonder if this does not mean
> > breaking
> > > up wounds of old ethnic disputes, rather than helping to solve a
> problem.
> > >
> > > Typical is also the kind of treatment that the Russians give to the
> > Georgian
> > > border. Repeatedly in the recent past the Russians have shifted the
> border
> > > stepwise to the South, in increments of 100 metres or so, i.e. in
> > increments
> > > small enough not to arouse international clashes, but effective enough
> on
> > > the other hand since the Georgian side is unable to offer resistance.
> > >
> > > Good luck in analyzing ols Soviet maps!
> > >
> > > Wolfgang
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheia kallos
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2005 23:42
> > > An: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
> > >
> > >
> > > this soviet topo shows the former afcnsu
> > > which is now afcntj
> > > 20 meters lower than & several hundred meters away
> > > from the peak of mt povalo shveikovski
> > > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-102.jpg
> > >
> > > but all 3 treaties specify the summit itself & far
> > > different elevations
> > > http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS089.pdf
> > > page 4
> > > http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS026.pdf
> > > pages 12 & 16
> > > including an apparent mention of a marker
> > > &
> > > http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS064.pdf
> > > page 16
> > >
> > > the variety in the elevations of up to 175 meters is
> > > not so disturbing as the apparently even greater
> > > displacement from the known summit point
> > >
> > > but what is the truth here
> > > & why all this discrepancy
> > >
> > > & how far can we trust these soviet maps anyway
> > > oops
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>