Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle prevails here. To locate a tripoint in a
"non-demarcated" situation, together with rather unspecific treaties, and
markers that are memorials rather than monuments (in the American sense of
the word)is a sheer impossibility. Using "the best available maps" means
therefore operating with undue precision. Hence, every arguing is a waste of
time.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheiak
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2005 16:53
An:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now
too
hahahaaah
but we use the best available maps all the time my dear
mumble bumblish
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
<Wolfgang.Schaub@c...>
wrote:
>
> The "relevance" was relating to your unusual seriousness with which you
> referred to Soviet maps. As I skip 99% of your stories, you are well
invited
> to skip all of mine!
> Looking forward to more grumbling gibberish,
>
> Wolfgang
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheiak
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2005 14:04
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now
> too
>
>
> thanx for your kind wishes wolfgang
> tho i have to note the rest of your response is oranges to my apples
> as i was asking about the fully accepted common tripoint of 3 independent
> countries
> only one of which is even a postsoviet republic
> & you are answering here about internal soviet & postsoviet borders &
> disorders
> while singing admittedly wretched old tunes well worth skipping again in
> their own right
> even if they hadnt been irrelevant to my question & our common topic
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > "What is the truth here"? You allude to a common feature of Soviet - and
> > also "modern" Russian management of bordes/boundaries: Nobody knows for
> > sure. In addition: Borders are shifted per ???? - Ukáz - decree, in
> > Stalinistic times sometimes in the form of a telegram without previous
> > announcements/consultation; you can imagine how "accurate" these were.
> >
> > A nice example is offered by the ongoing quarrel between Ingushetiya and
> > North-Ossetia over the Progorodnyj district, where borders have
repeatedly
> > been shifted back and forth so often that the local people decided to
> ignore
> > all this and start fighting against each other. You may also refer to
> > http://www.ingush.ru/d.asp where all this misery is displayed in
splendor.
> >
> > Right now discussions are going on in the Duma to reduce the number of
> > Russian "subjects" by combining some of them to greater units, in order
to
> > minimize administration costs. You may wonder if this does not mean
> breaking
> > up wounds of old ethnic disputes, rather than helping to solve a
problem.
> >
> > Typical is also the kind of treatment that the Russians give to the
> Georgian
> > border. Repeatedly in the recent past the Russians have shifted the
border
> > stepwise to the South, in increments of 100 metres or so, i.e. in
> increments
> > small enough not to arouse international clashes, but effective enough
on
> > the other hand since the Georgian side is unable to offer resistance.
> >
> > Good luck in analyzing ols Soviet maps!
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheia kallos
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2005 23:42
> > An: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
> >
> >
> > this soviet topo shows the former afcnsu
> > which is now afcntj
> > 20 meters lower than & several hundred meters away
> > from the peak of mt povalo shveikovski
> > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-102.jpg
> >
> > but all 3 treaties specify the summit itself & far
> > different elevations
> > http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS089.pdf
> > page 4
> > http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS026.pdf
> > pages 12 & 16
> > including an apparent mention of a marker
> > &
> > http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS064.pdf
> > page 16
> >
> > the variety in the elevations of up to 175 meters is
> > not so disturbing as the apparently even greater
> > displacement from the known summit point
> >
> > but what is the truth here
> > & why all this discrepancy
> >
> > & how far can we trust these soviet maps anyway
> > oops
> >
> >
> >
> >
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