& let me add
speaking to hugh & everyone else who has helped with these lovely tries
i have just caught up with this addition to them at our better half
aka bp cubed
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/179
& wholeheartedly agree & rejoice to see the tries coming full circle to where they began
while also happily still having somewhere to go & grow
& would also like to underscore the delicate distinction that is implicitly drawn in that
message between tripointing & tripoints
by making it explicit
for tripointing is a dynamic that keeps moving & homing & advancing & improving & high
stepping rather than ever remaining stationary
as tripoints may
so for example
in the terms of the above message
the toes of tripointers cant ever possibly be stepped upon
isnt that lovely
certainly cant be in cyberspace
nor do such toes ever even cease to twinkle
let alone on solid ground
& yet such an uncompromisingly dynamic pursuit of multidimensional happiness may
sometimes sound like static to anyone not vibrating at such a pitch
& it may even seem to jump out & step upon the toes of any others who may be hanging
around enjoying themselves too
albeit in a stationary or yikes even a sedentary position
but that is not really as it may seem
& i think it will seem less & less so
as everyone learns to distinguish our 2 distinctly brilliant bp facilities
as you say
correctly
even tho it might be more correct to say discriminately
but thanx to your finally coming up with these 2 excellent e words
esoteric & eclectic
i believe an end to such imaginary suffering will no longer be so elusive
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@o...> wrote:
>
> > I think you just said the same as what I said when I
> > said "When I reached
> > the appropriate spot on the road I searched around
> > for any kind of marker
> > some distance either side of the road but was unable
> > to locate one. What I
> > did locate was all on the road itself. From these
> > conflicting pieces of
> > evidence it is is not possible, therefore, to
> > determine accurately exactly
> > where the tripoint is located."
>
> whoops
> misunderstanding in process
> for i didnt mean some distance in either direction
> generally
> but rather
> specifically
> in accordance with this best available map
> http://www.larioja.org/sig/imagenes/5000/25tp2927.gif
> unless i am misreading it or misinterpreting some of
> the other data
> between 110 & 137 meters up the bank & thru those
> lovely woods
> on a bearing somewhere between n13w & n39w from the
> roadstone
>
> or
> averaging these ranges for starters & ease &
> simplicity
> make that about 124 meters bearing about n26w from the
> roadstone
> & only then fanning out & beating the bushes if
> necessary for 15 or 20 meters in all directions
>
> alternatively
> get a gps fix on the target point directly from this
> map if possible
> but i think you might still have to beat the bushes in
> that case too
> so there might not be any advantage to doing it that
> way
>
> nor do i think it would just be a matter of luck but
> of technique first & perhaps then luck too
>
>
> but in any case you fully deserve our highest congrats
> & thanx for having made this try at es2arcllo &
> posting this beautiful report
> which was the first known one of its kind in & indeed
> from spain
> as well as for your evidently luckier hit at es2arcala
> just down the road
> also the first of its kind
>
> > Maybe someone else will have better luck, if indeed
> > there is another
> > physical marker in existence that I could not find.
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:35 AM
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re:
> > Spanish provincial
> > tripoint marker... or not
> >
> >
> > understood but official map evidence generally
> > trumps
> > all other data
> > unless it is proved wrong by onsite investigation
> > or by better official data
> > such as the legal text etc
> >
> > it is clear you have a tripoint indicator of some
> > sort
> > there
> > just as peter & jim supposed in the part of the
> > message that has been truncated below
> > for i dont think that was ever very seriously in
> > question
> >
> > nor are indirect & or ceremonial markers terribly
> > rare
> > for that matter
> >
> > but it isnt at all clear that you have
> > t h e
> > official
> > direct
> > onsite
> > tripoint
> > mojon
> >
> > for that to be clear
> > or to even become a reasonable inference or
> > plausible
> > guess
> > the tripoint position precisely indicated on the
> > best
> > available maps still needs to be checked &
> > positively
> > eliminated
> >
> > --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@o...> wrote:
> >
> > > >>the fact that the railway is abandoned doesnt at
> > > all
> > > necessarily mean that the legal position of the
> > > tripoint adjacent to the railway & shown on the
> > best
> > > available & current official maps has also been
> > > abandoned with it<<
> > >
> > > That was just a casual comment for informational
> > > purposes - it was not
> > > intended that any inference about the tripoint
> > > should be drawn from it
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Hugh
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
> > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:46 PM
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re:
> > > Spanish provincial
> > > tripoint marker... or not
> > >
> > >
> > > bravissimos & vivas from me too hugh
> > >
> > > & i agree you must have arcala the second one
> > right
> > > & that jimmy is confused
> > > but i also agree with him about arcllo the first
> > one
> > >
> > > because
> > > the fact that the railway is abandoned doesnt at
> > all
> > > necessarily mean that the legal position of the
> > > tripoint adjacent to the railway & shown on the
> > best
> > > available & current official maps has also been
> > > abandoned with it
> > >
> > > --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@o...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The mojon I photoed is the same one that is
> > > pictured
> > > > at
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.albaiges.com/historia/historiatresreyes.htm
> > > > so I don't quite
> > > > understand the comment about the "third" (unless
> > > you
> > > > are referring to the
> > > > second one on my web page - but that is at a
> > > > different tripoint).
> > > >
> > > > I searched around on both sides of the road for
> > > > other ones but found
> > > > nothing. The railway is abandoned by the way.
> > > >
> > > > I am in Madrid now so no chance of getting back
> > > > there (its about 300km away)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Hugh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of jim van dura
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:42 PM
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com;
> > > > borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint]
> > Re:
> > > > Spanish provincial
> > > > tripoint marker... or not
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Beautifully done, Hugh! We thought there might
> > be
> > > > two
> > > > mojones, and here you have brought us a third!
> > > Nice
> > > > to
> > > > see they have no sense of direction too! But did
> > > you
> > > > not try to reach the real mojon also, as shown
> > on
> > > > Peter's officially authoritative treasure map???
> > > Or
> > > > are you still in close enough range to double
> > back
> > > > for
> > > > this coup de grace?
> > > > Jimmy
> > > >
> > > > --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@o...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Peter and Jimmy
> > > > >
> > > > > I have visited this tripoint and you can find
> > > the
> > > > > results of my visit
> > > > > documented at http://tinyurl.com/baglc
> > > > >
> > > > > I have copied this to boundarypoint since I
> > have
> > > > now
> > > > > been reliably informed
> > > > > that is the correct place to discuss
> > tripointing
> > > > and
> > > > > I don't want to step on
> > > > > people's toes, being new and all :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugh
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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