Len:
Pictures: yes, I do have. But they are buried in a photo album and
at the time there were no digicams. Also, the crassest scenes I could not
take pictures of, due to "respectfulness". Technology: I remember in
the realm of the "hotel" they had a simple apparatus which worked like a
burning-lens. In the sunshine, facing the Gurla Mandatta, a kettle of hot water
was being prepared within short.
The
"hotel's" rooms could not be locked and were separated from each other only by
curtains. In the night, there were big black Tibetan dogs resting on soft
arm-chairs and howled towards the full moon. Fortunately, when visiting the
concrete box over the stream outside at night the hounds did not
bark.
I
could not see a temple, although this does not mean there was none; also there
was no Chinese guard - the only I had met during the entire trip was in
Kojarnath towards the Nepalese border.
A
Tibetan family from Darchen accompanied us on our parikrama around Mt
Kailash, probably in the hope for some business, and I would have wished to have
been able "talking" to them more than only exchanging gestures and handing over
Dalai Lama pictures.
I do
have high respect for the Tibetan people and wish them well. But never would I
return to Tibet as a tourist after having seen once how tourism can spoil
people.
Wolfgang
Did you
take any pictures?
I'd love to see what the place looked like.
Len
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang
Schaub"
<Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> Having been there as
such is enough.
> -----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>
[mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A.
Nadybal
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005
04:17
> An:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
>
>
> You weren't -
it was gone by then.
> Best I can do for you was that you
were in a former Bhutanese exclave.
> Or, if you are a
purist, and consider that it still is Bhutanese, then
> you
were in an occupied Bhutanese exclave. Which do you
prefer?
> Len
>
> --- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
>
<Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > Darchen!
Unbelievable! Never had I thought that I was in a
Bhutanese
> exclave
> > when I circled
around Mt Kailash in September 1994.
>
>
> > Darchen consisted - at that time - of an
assembly of Tibetan
> dwellings, a
> >
"poor" caravanseray-type restaurant/hotel and the idea of a
toilet
> located
> > over a small
stream, open to the curious views of the locals (How do
>
they do
> > it, those Westerners? Is it true that theis
is longer than ours?)
> >
> >
Close-by, behind a wall, the Chinese began building a "true"
hotel.
> At least
> > they had been
able, to that point, affixing a metal plaque at
the
wall
> > describing in glorious language what their
intentions were.
> >
> > There were
also Tibetan (prostitutes?) who believed they should
>
behave and
> > clothe like Chinese - ridiculous -
deplorabe?
> >
> > Now, as I hear,
they are building a road around Mt Kailash, to
> attract
more
> > tourists. I see with pleasure that tourists will
fly in Through
Lhasa,
> > travel without
acclimatization to Darchen, step out of their car on
> the
pass
> > behind Mt Kailash - 5600 m high - and collapse.
What a nice
> experience must
> > that
be!
> >
> > Good luck to Darchen.
You won't survive.
> >
> >
Wolfgang
> > -----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----
> > Von:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >
[mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A.
Nadybal
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2005
06:41
> > An:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff:
[BoundaryPoint] Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
Chris... here is what I dreamt up about the subject:
>
>
> > a. There
were seven Bhutanese exclaves.
>
> b. Their names
were:
>
> - Taharen
(also: Darchen / Tarchen and [to the Chinese:
>
Daerjing)
>
> -
Tsehher
>
> -
Diraphu
>
> - Dzung
Tuphu
>
> -
Jangeke
>
> -
Chahip
>
> -
Cooha
> >
>
> c. Darchen was the administrative
capital of the region,
located
> > at
80'20" E and 30'55" N, about 100 yeards from the foothills
of
Mt.
> > Kailash. Kailash is about 100
miles directly north of the
> >
northwesternmost tip of Nepal - a good 300 to 400 miles
from
Bhutan,
> > regardless of whether you
are a walking or flying crow.
According to
>
> literature, Darchen under the Bhutanese consisted of a
temple,
a "poor
> > restaurant" and a
teahouse.
> > d. To
the Bhutanese, theses possessions were collectively
known
as
> > "Northern Kangri".
>
> e. In 1949, Bhutan's entered into the
treaty with India about
> > which you read in
a couple of messages earlier, under which it
agreed
>
> to be "guided" by India (not subservient to India)
with
respect to its
> > foreign
relations. The treaty replaced the earlier one that
it
had
> > with the UK, which had quit
India. Under the treaty, the
Bhutanese
>
> sought out Indian assistance in getting a complaint
lodged
with China
> > about the Chinese
interfering with the Bhutanese government's
>
> official courier to the area, and for preventing the courier
from
> > seeking protection of the Indians at
the Indian Trade Agency
offices
> > in
Tibet.
> > On 19 August 1959, India issued a
letter of protest to China about
> > this
matter on Bhutan's behalf.
>
> f. Shortly after the complaint was
filed, Chinese soldiers
> > occupied the
exclaves. Another complaint letter was requested
and
was
> > issued, but to no
avail.
> > g. Shortly
after that, Bhutan closed its border with Tibet
(it is
>
> still closed to this day). It withdrew the Lamas from
the embassy
> > (called a "trade mission" by
British envoy Williamson in his
map of
> >
Lhasa) and the exclaves and essentially abandoned them.
(I've
heard
> > that the former governor
from the exclaves is alive today and
living
>
> in Bhutan).
>
> h. Bhutan also possesses a Stupa near
Kathhmandu. It may
be only
> >
extraterritorial - I've not been able to ascertain that.
>
> i. Bhutan also possesses or possessed
two plots of land in
> > Kalimpong, India,
which were left to it when the rest of what was
>
> known under British rule as "British Bhutan" - an area SW
of
Bhutan
> > and S of Sikkim, which
Britain annexed in the 1860s in
retribution for
>
> Bhutanese acts that caused the Duar War. A Bhutanese
post office
> > operated there in the early
to mid 1960s. On these plots
there are
>
> what are known as the Old and New Bhutan Houses. They
were
owned by
> > the royal family, which
I hear placed one or both of them up
for sale
>
> sometime in the last couple of years. I do not know if
they
have been
> > sold or whether the
sale means Bhutan had effectively
abandoned these
>
> plots, too. A measure of the sovereignty Bhutan
exercized
over these
> > plots can be
traced from the aftermath of a murder committed
on one
of
> > the plots. The alleged
murderer was not subject to Indian
> >
jurisprudence... the Bhutanese caretaker who served the royals
in
the
> > late 20th centure wrote me in early
1992 that the Bhutanese
officials
> >
spirited the fellow across Indian territory to Bhutan proper
to
face
> > justice in
Bhutan.
> > j.
RE: Dewangiri. It's not a "strip of land", but more
like
a
> > square that jutted into the Bhutanese
foothills when it was
Indian.
> > It is
the site of a Bhutanese fort from which the Bhutanese
caused
the
> > British a bitter humiliation in the
Duar War. The area is now the
> >
territory that surrounds the Bhutanese town of Deothang to its
south
-
> > in days past the town name was spelled
"Dewathang". You can
see the
> >
relationship in the names. The Indian constitution prohibits
the
> > government of India from giving away
national territory. The fact
> > that
Dewangiri was returned indicates that it was never
considered
> > part and parcel of India -
perhaps only "occupied" despite
having been
>
> "annexed".
> >
>
> Dream on Mr. A.
> >
>
> LN
> >
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
> >
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