haha
well so much for tourism
& have you seen how acutourism can refine people
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...>
wrote:
> Len:
>
> Pictures: yes, I do have. But they are buried in a photo album and at the
> time there were no digicams. Also, the crassest scenes I could not take
> pictures of, due to "respectfulness". Technology: I remember in the realm of
> the "hotel" they had a simple apparatus which worked like a burning-lens. In
> the sunshine, facing the Gurla Mandatta, a kettle of hot water was being
> prepared within short.
>
> The "hotel's" rooms could not be locked and were separated from each other
> only by curtains. In the night, there were big black Tibetan dogs resting on
> soft arm-chairs and howled towards the full moon. Fortunately, when visiting
> the concrete box over the stream outside at night the hounds did not bark.
>
> I could not see a temple, although this does not mean there was none; also
> there was no Chinese guard - the only I had met during the entire trip was
> in Kojarnath towards the Nepalese border.
>
> A Tibetan family from Darchen accompanied us on our parikrama around Mt
> Kailash, probably in the hope for some business, and I would have wished to
> have been able "talking" to them more than only exchanging gestures and
> handing over Dalai Lama pictures.
>
> I do have high respect for the Tibetan people and wish them well. But never
> would I return to Tibet as a tourist after having seen once how tourism can
> spoil people.
>
> Wolfgang
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A. Nadybal
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2005 02:33
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
>
>
> Did you take any pictures?
> I'd love to see what the place looked like.
> Len
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > Having been there as such is enough.
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A. Nadybal
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 04:17
> > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
> >
> >
> > You weren't - it was gone by then.
> > Best I can do for you was that you were in a former Bhutanese exclave.
> > Or, if you are a purist, and consider that it still is Bhutanese, then
> > you were in an occupied Bhutanese exclave. Which do you prefer?
> > Len
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> > <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > > Darchen! Unbelievable! Never had I thought that I was in a Bhutanese
> > exclave
> > > when I circled around Mt Kailash in September 1994.
> > >
> > > Darchen consisted - at that time - of an assembly of Tibetan
> > dwellings, a
> > > "poor" caravanseray-type restaurant/hotel and the idea of a toilet
> > located
> > > over a small stream, open to the curious views of the locals (How do
> > they do
> > > it, those Westerners? Is it true that theis is longer than ours?)
> > >
> > > Close-by, behind a wall, the Chinese began building a "true" hotel.
> > At least
> > > they had been able, to that point, affixing a metal plaque at
> the wall
> > > describing in glorious language what their intentions were.
> > >
> > > There were also Tibetan (prostitutes?) who believed they should
> > behave and
> > > clothe like Chinese - ridiculous - deplorabe?
> > >
> > > Now, as I hear, they are building a road around Mt Kailash, to
> > attract more
> > > tourists. I see with pleasure that tourists will fly in Through
> Lhasa,
> > > travel without acclimatization to Darchen, step out of their car on
> > the pass
> > > behind Mt Kailash - 5600 m high - and collapse. What a nice
> > experience must
> > > that be!
> > >
> > > Good luck to Darchen. You won't survive.
> > >
> > > Wolfgang
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A. Nadybal
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2005 06:41
> > > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Chris... here is what I dreamt up about the subject:
> > >
> > > a. There were seven Bhutanese exclaves.
> > > b. Their names were:
> > > - Taharen (also: Darchen / Tarchen and [to the Chinese:
> > Daerjing)
> > > - Tsehher
> > > - Diraphu
> > > - Dzung Tuphu
> > > - Jangeke
> > > - Chahip
> > > - Cooha
> > >
> > > c. Darchen was the administrative capital of the region,
> located
> > > at 80'20" E and 30'55" N, about 100 yeards from the foothills
> of Mt.
> > > Kailash. Kailash is about 100 miles directly north of the
> > > northwesternmost tip of Nepal - a good 300 to 400 miles from
> Bhutan,
> > > regardless of whether you are a walking or flying crow.
> According to
> > > literature, Darchen under the Bhutanese consisted of a temple,
> a "poor
> > > restaurant" and a teahouse.
> > > d. To the Bhutanese, theses possessions were collectively
> known as
> > > "Northern Kangri".
> > > e. In 1949, Bhutan's entered into the treaty with India about
> > > which you read in a couple of messages earlier, under which it
> agreed
> > > to be "guided" by India (not subservient to India) with
> respect to its
> > > foreign relations. The treaty replaced the earlier one that
> it had
> > > with the UK, which had quit India. Under the treaty, the
> Bhutanese
> > > sought out Indian assistance in getting a complaint lodged
> with China
> > > about the Chinese interfering with the Bhutanese government's
> > > official courier to the area, and for preventing the courier from
> > > seeking protection of the Indians at the Indian Trade Agency
> offices
> > > in Tibet.
> > > On 19 August 1959, India issued a letter of protest to China about
> > > this matter on Bhutan's behalf.
> > > f. Shortly after the complaint was filed, Chinese soldiers
> > > occupied the exclaves. Another complaint letter was requested
> and was
> > > issued, but to no avail.
> > > g. Shortly after that, Bhutan closed its border with Tibet
> (it is
> > > still closed to this day). It withdrew the Lamas from the embassy
> > > (called a "trade mission" by British envoy Williamson in his
> map of
> > > Lhasa) and the exclaves and essentially abandoned them. (I've
> heard
> > > that the former governor from the exclaves is alive today and
> living
> > > in Bhutan).
> > > h. Bhutan also possesses a Stupa near Kathhmandu. It may
> be only
> > > extraterritorial - I've not been able to ascertain that.
> > > i. Bhutan also possesses or possessed two plots of land in
> > > Kalimpong, India, which were left to it when the rest of what was
> > > known under British rule as "British Bhutan" - an area SW of
> Bhutan
> > > and S of Sikkim, which Britain annexed in the 1860s in
> retribution for
> > > Bhutanese acts that caused the Duar War. A Bhutanese post office
> > > operated there in the early to mid 1960s. On these plots
> there are
> > > what are known as the Old and New Bhutan Houses. They were
> owned by
> > > the royal family, which I hear placed one or both of them up
> for sale
> > > sometime in the last couple of years. I do not know if they
> have been
> > > sold or whether the sale means Bhutan had effectively
> abandoned these
> > > plots, too. A measure of the sovereignty Bhutan exercized
> over these
> > > plots can be traced from the aftermath of a murder committed
> on one of
> > > the plots. The alleged murderer was not subject to Indian
> > > jurisprudence... the Bhutanese caretaker who served the royals
> in the
> > > late 20th centure wrote me in early 1992 that the Bhutanese
> officials
> > > spirited the fellow across Indian territory to Bhutan proper
> to face
> > > justice in Bhutan.
> > > j. RE: Dewangiri. It's not a "strip of land", but more
> like a
> > > square that jutted into the Bhutanese foothills when it was
> Indian.
> > > It is the site of a Bhutanese fort from which the Bhutanese
> caused the
> > > British a bitter humiliation in the Duar War. The area is now the
> > > territory that surrounds the Bhutanese town of Deothang to its
> south -
> > > in days past the town name was spelled "Dewathang". You can
> see the
> > > relationship in the names. The Indian constitution prohibits the
> > > government of India from giving away national territory. The fact
> > > that Dewangiri was returned indicates that it was never considered
> > > part and parcel of India - perhaps only "occupied" despite
> having been
> > > "annexed".
> > >
> > > Dream on Mr. A.
> > >
> > > LN