Did you take any pictures?
I'd love to see what the place looked like.
Len
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
<Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> Having been there as such is enough.
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A. Nadybal
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 04:17
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
>
>
> You weren't - it was gone by then.
> Best I can do for you was that you were in a former Bhutanese exclave.
> Or, if you are a purist, and consider that it still is Bhutanese, then
> you were in an occupied Bhutanese exclave. Which do you prefer?
> Len
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > Darchen! Unbelievable! Never had I thought that I was in a Bhutanese
> exclave
> > when I circled around Mt Kailash in September 1994.
> >
> > Darchen consisted - at that time - of an assembly of Tibetan
> dwellings, a
> > "poor" caravanseray-type restaurant/hotel and the idea of a toilet
> located
> > over a small stream, open to the curious views of the locals (How do
> they do
> > it, those Westerners? Is it true that theis is longer than ours?)
> >
> > Close-by, behind a wall, the Chinese began building a "true" hotel.
> At least
> > they had been able, to that point, affixing a metal plaque at
the wall
> > describing in glorious language what their intentions were.
> >
> > There were also Tibetan (prostitutes?) who believed they should
> behave and
> > clothe like Chinese - ridiculous - deplorabe?
> >
> > Now, as I hear, they are building a road around Mt Kailash, to
> attract more
> > tourists. I see with pleasure that tourists will fly in Through
Lhasa,
> > travel without acclimatization to Darchen, step out of their car on
> the pass
> > behind Mt Kailash - 5600 m high - and collapse. What a nice
> experience must
> > that be!
> >
> > Good luck to Darchen. You won't survive.
> >
> > Wolfgang
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A. Nadybal
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2005 06:41
> > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
> >
> >
> > Thanks Chris... here is what I dreamt up about the subject:
> >
> > a. There were seven Bhutanese exclaves.
> > b. Their names were:
> > - Taharen (also: Darchen / Tarchen and [to the Chinese:
> Daerjing)
> > - Tsehher
> > - Diraphu
> > - Dzung Tuphu
> > - Jangeke
> > - Chahip
> > - Cooha
> >
> > c. Darchen was the administrative capital of the region,
located
> > at 80'20" E and 30'55" N, about 100 yeards from the foothills
of Mt.
> > Kailash. Kailash is about 100 miles directly north of the
> > northwesternmost tip of Nepal - a good 300 to 400 miles from
Bhutan,
> > regardless of whether you are a walking or flying crow.
According to
> > literature, Darchen under the Bhutanese consisted of a temple,
a "poor
> > restaurant" and a teahouse.
> > d. To the Bhutanese, theses possessions were collectively
known as
> > "Northern Kangri".
> > e. In 1949, Bhutan's entered into the treaty with India about
> > which you read in a couple of messages earlier, under which it
agreed
> > to be "guided" by India (not subservient to India) with
respect to its
> > foreign relations. The treaty replaced the earlier one that
it had
> > with the UK, which had quit India. Under the treaty, the
Bhutanese
> > sought out Indian assistance in getting a complaint lodged
with China
> > about the Chinese interfering with the Bhutanese government's
> > official courier to the area, and for preventing the courier from
> > seeking protection of the Indians at the Indian Trade Agency
offices
> > in Tibet.
> > On 19 August 1959, India issued a letter of protest to China about
> > this matter on Bhutan's behalf.
> > f. Shortly after the complaint was filed, Chinese soldiers
> > occupied the exclaves. Another complaint letter was requested
and was
> > issued, but to no avail.
> > g. Shortly after that, Bhutan closed its border with Tibet
(it is
> > still closed to this day). It withdrew the Lamas from the embassy
> > (called a "trade mission" by British envoy Williamson in his
map of
> > Lhasa) and the exclaves and essentially abandoned them. (I've
heard
> > that the former governor from the exclaves is alive today and
living
> > in Bhutan).
> > h. Bhutan also possesses a Stupa near Kathhmandu. It may
be only
> > extraterritorial - I've not been able to ascertain that.
> > i. Bhutan also possesses or possessed two plots of land in
> > Kalimpong, India, which were left to it when the rest of what was
> > known under British rule as "British Bhutan" - an area SW of
Bhutan
> > and S of Sikkim, which Britain annexed in the 1860s in
retribution for
> > Bhutanese acts that caused the Duar War. A Bhutanese post office
> > operated there in the early to mid 1960s. On these plots
there are
> > what are known as the Old and New Bhutan Houses. They were
owned by
> > the royal family, which I hear placed one or both of them up
for sale
> > sometime in the last couple of years. I do not know if they
have been
> > sold or whether the sale means Bhutan had effectively
abandoned these
> > plots, too. A measure of the sovereignty Bhutan exercized
over these
> > plots can be traced from the aftermath of a murder committed
on one of
> > the plots. The alleged murderer was not subject to Indian
> > jurisprudence... the Bhutanese caretaker who served the royals
in the
> > late 20th centure wrote me in early 1992 that the Bhutanese
officials
> > spirited the fellow across Indian territory to Bhutan proper
to face
> > justice in Bhutan.
> > j. RE: Dewangiri. It's not a "strip of land", but more
like a
> > square that jutted into the Bhutanese foothills when it was
Indian.
> > It is the site of a Bhutanese fort from which the Bhutanese
caused the
> > British a bitter humiliation in the Duar War. The area is now the
> > territory that surrounds the Bhutanese town of Deothang to its
south -
> > in days past the town name was spelled "Dewathang". You can
see the
> > relationship in the names. The Indian constitution prohibits the
> > government of India from giving away national territory. The fact
> > that Dewangiri was returned indicates that it was never considered
> > part and parcel of India - perhaps only "occupied" despite
having been
> > "annexed".
> >
> > Dream on Mr. A.
> >
> > LN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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