> so you could say i am an impartial observer & not at > all invested in the claves themselves Well, i wont say anything like this, all i want to remind you is e.g. your explorings about the ellis island or the report about your trip to the nj-dw anomalies, that can be seen here: http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/us-fragments.htm, both very interesting for clave-fans, both without any kind of multipointing. I cant understand, why its neccesary to use faekal language to describe clave-stuff. Regards, Chris