no problem here chris
& i am in fact independently happy

so if there really is a problem
which i rather doubt anyway
then maybe it is your problem

but at least i cant account here for what you are
seeing & reporting there

also it may help your pursuit of the truth to know
all negativity is actually a lie
& you can feel it

so thats easy

& to lucas
i have to say
we both may wish for these lost islands of shangri la
but at this point i seriously doubt any such btcn
claves exist today

& i do follow all clave rumors too
until they poop out
because there is always a chance that a real
multipoint may be found lurking among them
like our bdin & benl & atde boundary crosses etc

so you could say i am an impartial observer & not at
all invested in the claves themselves

the political maps of bhutan you ask for
http://www.geocities.com/bhutaneserefugees/bhutanmap.html
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/bhutan.jpg
& there is a much better one available i am still
looking for
but i can tell you there are no claves shown on it
either

--- chris schulz <23568@...> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> thanks for your search,
>
> but one more thing i want to add:
> it seems to me, that you are happy about the fact,
> that there were no "real hard data" in Lens
> Postings.
> moreover it seems to me, that you want to say, Len
> had some phantasies about "ghost clave claims".
>
> Arent we all searching for new interesting
> situations? Isnt every little information welcome
> for others of us to search deep enough to find "hard
> data"?
>
> So what is your problem?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aletheia kallos
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
>
>
> it is true there were some ghost btcn clave claims
> in
>
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6930

> & yikes even a living btnp clave claim there too
> but never any real hard data
>
> the believable stuff seems concentrated in the
> links
> to
>
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15198

> &
>
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11743

> where maps & agreements are indicated
> but never any actual mention of claves
>
> --- chris schulz <23568@...> wrote:
>
> > I think, Len once mentioned something about it.
> > How about you, Len?
> > Can you remember, what you heard / read about
> these
> > enclaves?
> >
> > Regards, Chris
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aletheia kallos
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
> >
> >
> > great to hear from you lucas this great news
> > however long in coming
> >
> > positively fantastic development
> >
> > those are remote & sparse areas that could
> well
> > have
> > remained practically undisturbed & essentially
> > forgotten these 44 years
> >
> > at the same time
> > both nehru & jigme dorji wangchuk are
> certainly
> > long
> > departed
> > so
> > more or less as they predicted
> > any formerly discontiguous parts that bhutan
> may
> > have
> > had do at least appear to have been occupied
> by
> > china
> > over their dead bodies
> >
> > & of course we at least have been completely
> > unaware
> > of any such probabilities til now
> > simply because all the public border
> announcements
> >
> > including the most recent one posted here
> > yesterday
> > havent mentioned them
> > & on the contrary just imply or actually refer
> to
> > the
> > single continuous btcn boundary line presently
> in
> > progress
> >
> > so i would guess
> > de facto
> > which is what really counts anyway
> > these claves are very probably dead too
> >
> >
> > & yet
> > & yet
> > they could also just be lost islands of
> shangri la
> > ahaha
> > what fun
> >
> > thank you very much indeed
> >
> > a hi priority research area to be sure
> >
> > --- Lucas <lucas_v1@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear members,
> > >
> > > Though I didn't post for a long time, I
> noticed
> > > something strange in
> > > an old article. "Keesing's World Events"
> reports
> > the
> > > following:
> > >
> > > "August 1961 - INDIA - SIKKIM - BHUTAN
> > >
> > > Maharaja of Bhutan's Visit to Delhi.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Mr. Nehru reaffirmed his previous assurances
> > that
> > > any aggression
> > > against Bhutan would be regarded as
> aggression
> > > against India. [About
> > > 300 square miles of northern and
> north-eastern
> > > Bhutan, including
> > > some enclaves surrounded by Tibetan
> territory,
> > are
> > > shown on Chinese
> > > maps as Chinese territory, although the
> Chinese
> > > Government has made
> > > no attempt to occupy them.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Describing China's claims to Bhutanese
> territory
> > as
> > > "a mistake which
> > > I hope they will correct," he [The Maharajah
> of
> > > Bhutan] said that
> > > China would be allowed to occupy any part of
> > Bhutan
> > > "only over our
> > > dead bodies." "
> > >
> > > How would you comment? Do these enclaves
> still
> > > exist? Any infos
> > > would be appreciated. Sadly, I cannot offer
> > links,
> > > since this is a
> > > subscription service.
> > >
> > > Lucas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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