Hello Anton,
when you say:
"Sometimes various BP members wonder why we lose members and why old
members seem to disappear. I venture to say that one reason may lie
in the fact that you apparently love to ridicule and attack those who
do not hold your opinion. I find especially distasteful how you
sometimes poke fun at those who do not have English as their first
language and therefore may have trouble expressing themselves."
I agree completely with you.
In fact there is a funny person with a funny language (which is not English
language, but something else because he often is completely intelligible)
who used to ridicule what other members are saying. ... I asked to my
internet provider and so I discover that he is only a a spammer... so I
delete all his messages he is sending to our group. So it easy to solve
this minor problem....
Best regards to you and all the other kind members.
Fabio V.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:50 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
> Hi,
>
> of course I know that my message would attract some rambling from
> you, but here are short replies:
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> wrote:
>> if it doesnt exist
>> then how can you presume to translate it
>> hahahahaha
>
> Haha, extremely hilarious. I've had better laughs - but then again,
> I'm probably not as infinitely funny as you appear to be.
>
> And if you read my message correctly I was guessing as to what was
> meant - I imagine that whoever put up the sign was trying so say
> something, and I tried to interpret it.
>
>> & i would buy extraterritorial waters for example in english
>> but only if territorial waters are being implied or discussed in
> the same breath
>>
>> but again
>> extraterritorial area
>> in english
>> could at best just mean an area that is out of the regular bounds
> in some sense
>> & not at all necessarily an area with any specially constituted
> legal status
>
> Well, the word exists, so deal with it. I'm sorry that it does not
> fit your philosophy.
>
>> so far as i know
>> since 1961 such a status as you are groping to express is just
> called inviolability
>
> Unfortunately, English is not my mother tongue, so I am naturally
> inferior to you linguistically as well and can only "grope", but at
> least I try to make my messages intelligible (unlike yourself, may I
> say so).
>
> It is not just inviolability, there are certain other aspects as
> well, but then again, how should I know? I have only studied
> international law for several years at several universities, which
> obviously does not qualify me. Too bad.
>
> And one last word:
>
> Sometimes various BP members wonder why we lose members and why old
> members seem to disappear. I venture to say that one reason may lie
> in the fact that you apparently love to ridicule and attack those who
> do not hold your opinion. I find especially distasteful how you
> sometimes poke fun at those who do not have English as their first
> language and therefore may have trouble expressing themselves.
>
> Cheerio,
> Anton
>
> PS: Don't expect any further replies, I have better things to do
> (e.g., work).
>
>
>
>
>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Zeilinger"
> <anton_zeilinger@h...> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Funnily enough, the word "extraterritorial" does not really exist
> in
>> > German, the correct word would be "exterritorial", which
> translates as
>> > the English "extraterritorial"; but I guess that is what was
> meant here.
>> >
>> > "Gebiet" is indeed "area", and I concur with Len that the
>> > phrase "extraterritorial area" is not redundant at all!
>> >
>> > And Len has also touched upon the fact that it has been well
> settled in
>> > international law that all so-called
> extraterritorial/exterritorial
>> > areas like embassies, missions, military cemetaries, monuments,
>> > military bases and the like remain part of the state they are
> situated
>> > in; all that happens is that certain immunities or promises of
>> > inviolability are granted - sovereignty is only transferred if
> this is
>> > explicitly stated in the relevant treaty (which has extremely
> rarely,
>> > if at all, happened in these cases).
>> >
>> > Any other speculations in the direction of mini-enclaves or other
>> > peculiarities are, of course, great fun, but not based on
> international
>> > law.
>> >
>> > Cheerio,
>> > Anton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> <lnadybal@c...>
>> > wrote:
>> > > It isn't a redundant phrase - "Extraterritorial" means the same
> as it
>> > > does in English - the "es" is only a grammatical suffix.
>> > >
>> > > Gebiet is not solely "territory" as in a political way except
> in the
>> > > sense of a "place we posses and rule that has dimensions", but
> more as
>> > > an "area" or "grounds", as in "mein Fachgebiet" which is "my
> area of
>> > > expertise". Or, as after the end of WW II, when the British
> and US
>> > > sectors of W. Germany were economically merged and became the
>> > > "Vereinigte Wirtschaftsgebiet" a.k.a. "Bi-Zone", where "Gebiet"
> was
>> > > officially translated to mean "Zone" in the German equal of the
> US
>> > > Federal Register (the "Gesetzblatt").
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Len
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