Subject: Re: French Properties on St Helena<br/>
Date: May 03, 2005 @ 15:23<br/>
Author: aletheiak (&quot;aletheiak&quot; &lt;aletheiak@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-854756571">--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &quot;Lowell G. McManus&quot; &lt;mcmanus71496@m...&gt; <br/>
wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; By &quot;whatever it was or should have been called,&quot; I was referring only to the<br/>
&gt; name on the sign:  &quot;Extraterritoriales Gebiet,&quot; which seems to have sparked some<br/>
&gt; debate.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; I&#39;ve been experimenting with on-line translation engines (without which I would<br/>
&gt; be completely lost in German).  The words &quot;Extraterritoriales Gebiet&quot; are<br/>
&gt; commonly rendered into English as &quot;Extraterritorial Area,&quot; but the word &quot;extra&quot;<br/>
&gt; (by itself) translates from German to English as &quot;specially.&quot;  (Google, Babel<br/>
&gt; Fish, and Tsunami all agree.)  Perhaps, &quot;Extraterritoriales Gebiet&quot; means a<br/>
&gt; &quot;Specially Territorial Area&quot; (which it certainly was), rather than an area that<br/>
&gt; was extraterritorial in the usual English-language sense of that term.<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>ok but can an area even be territorial in normal english  <br/>
without also being either redundant or confusing or just plain amusing <br/>
let alone specially territorial <br/>
yikes<br/>
or extraterritorial yet<br/>
again<br/>
<br/>
yikes<br/>
hahahahahaha<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
but why not just render this somewhat more freely instead as <br/>
special area <br/>
or <br/>
area off limits <br/>
or some such simple & natural phrase<br/>
& be well satisfied with that<br/>
since the german phrase was used as a heading & was followed by a full explanation <br/>
anyway<br/>
& good german is generally more capacious than good english anyway <br/>
& also since there doesnt appear to be anything else particularly suitable that is available <br/>
in english anyway<br/>
nor anything else particularly true about the actual thing itself anyway<br/>
that we might fairly interpolate here without getting either our poetic artistic or translators <br/>
license suspended<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
for what it really seems to me to have sparked is just an extravagance of the usual <br/>
miscomprehension<br/>
& a semantic debacle rather than any debate<br/>
compounded at length by fairly random translation<br/>
<br/>
not that i would prefer any of these distracted aberrations to the others<br/>
hahahahaha<br/>
but it is all in a days play at the funhouse<br/>
<br/>
& i would say the really good news you certainly have brought is concentrated in the idea <br/>
of special<br/>
<br/>
for we certainly have been treated to some special freakin areas here<br/>
& even beyond saving us a lot of mental struggle<br/>
this new idea & word brings us directly back to our central point of origin<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
for indeed what is so special about trypointing</div>