I remember back before gambling boats were allowed to ply many American
waterways, some foreign-flagged gambling ships tried to offer "cruises to
nowhere." They would depart from a US port, go out to international waters,
open their casinos, suck up the "passenger's" money, and return to port. The US
government shut them down, on the grounds that unless they called at a foreign
port in between, they were in "coastwise commerce" between US ports, which is
reserved for US-flagged vessels.
This last requirement is why all those Alaska cruises on Bahamian, Norwegian,
Liberian, and Netherlands Antillean ships begin and end at Vancouver, not
Seattle.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:26 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as us2caus
makee la dora now too
>
>
> haha
> not me
> for i am satisfied that there is more than enough confusion there to go around
> already
>
> & that they will need to keep clear of anywhere they expect to avoid the wrath
> of
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> & that they will need to keep inside anywhere they expect to enjoy the
> protection of
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> i just dont see how they can both avoid the wrath & enjoy the protection of
> the same place
> at the same time
> which is exactly what it sounds like their business plan is supposed to do
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...>
> wrote:
>> I wondered that too. The Indian journalists who wrote the article wouldn't
>> be
>> expected to know the difference.
>>
>> Still, THE BOSTON GLOBE covers the story in much greater detail at
>> http://tinyurl.com/bs85c , and they quote SeaCode, Inc. as saying three miles
>> out. The SeaCode, Inc. web site at http://www.sea-code.com says "3.1 miles
>> off
>> the Coast of Los Angeles."
>>
>> It's obvious that the ship will be of foreign registry, although no flag is
>> specified. Otherwise everyone who works aboard would have to be American.
>> (That's why there are almost no US-flagged merchant or cruise ships.) It is
>> already clear that employees on foreign-flagged vessels, even while
>> temporarily
>> in American ports, are not subject to US federal labor laws and visa
>> requirements. What laws, then are they planning to skirt? Three miles would
>> get them beyond California laws (a wise move for any business), but the GLOBE
>> article implies that it's sufficient to avoid US immigration laws.
>>
>> It might be that certain US immigration laws haven't been updated since the
>> extension of US territorial waters to twelve nautical miles. More likely,
>> the
>> thinkers at Sea Code haven't updated their thinking. Still, oddly, their web
>> site touts "the protection of U.S. Intellectual Property laws."
>>
>> As I prepare to send this, I find a Forbes article at
>> http://www.forbes.com/business/forbes/2005/0509/048.html in which the firm's
>> maritime lawyer gives the concept his backhanded approval, but it also
>> describes
>> three miles out as "international waters." I also find an article at
>> http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10959 that says the ships registry will
>> likely be Bahamian. It also explains that intellectual property produced at
>> sea
>> is covered by the laws of the country where it first makes land contact, and
>> this will be beamed directly ashore to the USA.
>>
>> In any case, if the concept is viable at three miles, it should be viable at
>> twelve. That's still a heck of a lot closer than India! There's contact
>> info
>> on the SeaCode web site. Someone other than I might want to lodge an
>> inquiry.
>> Good luck! :-)
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:07 AM
>> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as
>> us2caus
>> makee la dora now too
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>> >
>> > hmm but doesnt this rather mean the trijunction of elmxus
>> > where the 12nm territorial seas of mexico & those of the usa meet everyones
>> > land
>> >
>> > & thus not really the international secondary california 3nm state line
>> > tripoint
>> > as advertised in the title
>> > but rather a true world class tripoint
>> > or in other words a convergence of the lines of state of only world class
>> > states
>> >
>> > so presumably
>> > the hi tech sweats will actually be situated in everyones land 160 meters
>> > beyond the usa
>> > rather than in american territorial seas 160 meters beyond california
>> > as i first thought the article meant by saying state line
>> >
>> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...>
>> > wrote:
>> >> http://www.newz.in/large35.asp?catid=25&number=6874
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