After reading Len's message, and before reaching Mike's answer, I consulted a
large map in my collection that was issued by the DC government in 1976. I was
about to say that it shows the boundary taking an abrupt jog out into the river
from Second Street, Alexandria, to Jones Point. Now, from Mike, we know why.
I agree that many maps deserve aspersions. However, the DENJ boundary is
supposed to run along the natural low-water line, any artificial fills, islands,
spoil banks, jetties, piers, etc. notwithstanding. We see artificial lands that
do not affect the boundary, and this whole discussion stated about a dock that
New Jersey wants to build into Delaware, but Delaware won't permit. Why would a
jetty require the boundary to change outward around it? The jetty in question
seems to be of timber, rather than earth or rock, and most of it is missing in
the aerial photo. It probably long since washed away.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
>
> --- "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> The boundaries on these maps don't seem to be very
>> accurate
>
> good point not just here but practically always
>
> & we can always hope for better maps too
>
> & one more insert below
>
> - so I
>> wouldn't put any stock in someone saying their
>> showing a jetty built
>> out from the NJ shore means its in DE just because
>> the border line
>> crosses the jetty and leave the west end outside of
>> NJ. A printer can
>> change on plate to show a new jetty in brown, and
>> not change the old
>> black plate on which the border was originally
>> drawn.
>>
>> See
>>
>>
> http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=11&Z=18&X=807&Y=10737&W=3&qs=%7cWashington%7cDC%7c
>>
>> It's an image of ones Point, at the southern tip of
>> DC. The border
>> marker that is actually on the shore is not the
>> start of the
>> northbound DC VA border - which the map by the same
>> organization shows
>> as being at least 20 feet into the Potomac. The
>> cession of this part
>> of DC in the 1850s to VA stipulated that the Potomac
>> shore was the
>> border, not that it lies some line 20 feet out into
>> the water.
>
> but this offshore bit of dcva here isnt about that
>
> & notice it is more like 150 feet than 20 feet out
>
> rather this bit is 20th century
> i am pretty sure
>
> per bus&ss
> & 59 stat 552
> from the intersection of the high water line & the
> center line of second street in alexandria extended
> the dcva boundary follows the established pierhead
> line to the corner common to dc&md&va
>
> but anyway thats what thats about
> whenever it actually went down
> & it looks exactly right to me on your map too
>
> i have been there & eyeballed the pierheads
> & am completely satisfied with the usgs rendition of
> this all the way to & including dcmdvas
>
> so youll have to cast your aspersions more in general
> rather than in this particular case
>
> but they are aspersions well taken
>
>
> In the
>> last two years, condos have been built on stilts
>> over the water in
>> Alexandria - and I've been wondering why these
>> owners pay taxes to
>> Virginia. There are some little bays where waters
>> of the
>> Potomacappear to be Virginia shoreline, but I've not
>> bee able to find
>> authoritative maps showing the official border at
>> these places. It's
>> also open as to how far up a river or stream that
>> empties into the
>> Potomac DC territory extends (i.e., where the
>> "shoreline" actually is
>> when it's under water between the Potomac and the
>> point, wherever it
>> is, that some stream actually "ends" once it's
>> waters actually reach
>> the Potomac).
>> The same applies to this section of the DE-NJ
>> shoreline borders.
>>
>>
>> LN
>>
>>
>>
>> LN
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
>> McManus"
>> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
>> > According to Microsoft Streets & Trips, the street
>> running onto the
>> first of these from the south-southeast is named
>> "Ferry Road." This
>> suggests that the squarish fill was formerly a ferry
>> landing. It is
>> almost directly across the estuary from New Castle.
>> >
>> > Also, there is a mile-long jetty extending into
>> Delaware slightly
>> upriver from this point. See
>> >
>>
> http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=12&Z=18&X=568&Y=5487&W=3
>> .
>> >
>> > Lowell G. McManus
>> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: aletheia kallos
>> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:20 AM
>> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] yikes more bits of left
>> bank delaware found
>> >
>> >
>> > closer examination of the jersey shore within
>> the 12mile circle
>> has turned up at least half a dozen additional
>> tongues of
>> transdelawarean delaware
>> > all apparently involving backfill &or pier
>> projections
>> >
>> > for example
>> >
>>
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.65917&lon=-75.52333
>> >
>>
> http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2274&Y=21948&W=1
>> > &
>> >
>>
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.734&lon=-75.4766
>> >
>>
> http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1147&Y=10995&W=1
>> >
>> > but maybe this isnt really so surprising
>> >
>> > with benefit of hindsight anyway
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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