thanxx
your complements & specific aspersion dispersions are all very
well taken indeed
tho i am still accepting of lens aspersions here generally

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:

> After reading Len's message, and before reaching Mike's

answer, I consulted a

> large map in my collection that was issued by the DC

government in 1976. I was

> about to say that it shows the boundary taking an abrupt jog out

into the river

> from Second Street, Alexandria, to Jones Point. Now, from

Mike, we know why.

>
> I agree that many maps deserve aspersions. However, the

DENJ boundary is

> supposed to run along the natural low-water line, any artificial

fills, islands,

> spoil banks, jetties, piers, etc. notwithstanding. We see

artificial lands that

> do not affect the boundary, and this whole discussion stated

about a dock that

> New Jersey wants to build into Delaware, but Delaware won't

permit. Why would a

> jetty require the boundary to change outward around it? The

jetty in question

> seems to be of timber, rather than earth or rock, and most of it

is missing in

> the aerial photo. It probably long since washed away.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@y...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes more bits of left bank

delaware found

>
>
> >
> > --- "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The boundaries on these maps don't seem to be very
> >> accurate
> >
> > good point not just here but practically always
> >
> > & we can always hope for better maps too
> >
> > & one more insert below
> >
> > - so I
> >> wouldn't put any stock in someone saying their
> >> showing a jetty built
> >> out from the NJ shore means its in DE just because
> >> the border line
> >> crosses the jetty and leave the west end outside of
> >> NJ. A printer can
> >> change on plate to show a new jetty in brown, and
> >> not change the old
> >> black plate on which the border was originally
> >> drawn.
> >>
> >> See
> >>
> >>
> >

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=11&Z=18&X
=807&Y=10737&W=3&qs=%7cWashington%7cDC%7c

> >>
> >> It's an image of ones Point, at the southern tip of
> >> DC. The border
> >> marker that is actually on the shore is not the
> >> start of the
> >> northbound DC VA border - which the map by the same
> >> organization shows
> >> as being at least 20 feet into the Potomac. The
> >> cession of this part
> >> of DC in the 1850s to VA stipulated that the Potomac
> >> shore was the
> >> border, not that it lies some line 20 feet out into
> >> the water.
> >
> > but this offshore bit of dcva here isnt about that
> >
> > & notice it is more like 150 feet than 20 feet out
> >
> > rather this bit is 20th century
> > i am pretty sure
> >
> > per bus&ss
> > & 59 stat 552
> > from the intersection of the high water line & the
> > center line of second street in alexandria extended
> > the dcva boundary follows the established pierhead
> > line to the corner common to dc&md&va
> >
> > but anyway thats what thats about
> > whenever it actually went down
> > & it looks exactly right to me on your map too
> >
> > i have been there & eyeballed the pierheads
> > & am completely satisfied with the usgs rendition of
> > this all the way to & including dcmdvas
> >
> > so youll have to cast your aspersions more in general
> > rather than in this particular case
> >
> > but they are aspersions well taken
> >
> >
> > In the
> >> last two years, condos have been built on stilts
> >> over the water in
> >> Alexandria - and I've been wondering why these
> >> owners pay taxes to
> >> Virginia. There are some little bays where waters
> >> of the
> >> Potomacappear to be Virginia shoreline, but I've not
> >> bee able to find
> >> authoritative maps showing the official border at
> >> these places. It's
> >> also open as to how far up a river or stream that
> >> empties into the
> >> Potomac DC territory extends (i.e., where the
> >> "shoreline" actually is
> >> when it's under water between the Potomac and the
> >> point, wherever it
> >> is, that some stream actually "ends" once it's
> >> waters actually reach
> >> the Potomac).
> >> The same applies to this section of the DE-NJ
> >> shoreline borders.
> >>
> >>
> >> LN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> LN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> >> McManus"
> >> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> >> > According to Microsoft Streets & Trips, the street
> >> running onto the
> >> first of these from the south-southeast is named
> >> "Ferry Road." This
> >> suggests that the squarish fill was formerly a ferry
> >> landing. It is
> >> almost directly across the estuary from New Castle.
> >> >
> >> > Also, there is a mile-long jetty extending into
> >> Delaware slightly
> >> upriver from this point. See
> >> >
> >>
> >

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=12&Z=18&X
=568&Y=5487&W=3

> >> .
> >> >
> >> > Lowell G. McManus
> >> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: aletheia kallos
> >> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:20 AM
> >> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] yikes more bits of left
> >> bank delaware found
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > closer examination of the jersey shore within
> >> the 12mile circle
> >> has turned up at least half a dozen additional
> >> tongues of
> >> transdelawarean delaware
> >> > all apparently involving backfill &or pier
> >> projections
> >> >
> >> > for example
> >> >
> >>
> >

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.65917&lon=-75.5233
3

> >> >
> >>
> >

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X
=2274&Y=21948&W=1

> >> > &
> >> >
> >>
> >

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.734&lon=-75.4766

> >> >
> >>
> >

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X
=1147&Y=10995&W=1

> >> >
> >> > but maybe this isnt really so surprising
> >> >
> >> > with benefit of hindsight anyway
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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