--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> Lighten up, Mike.
ok blitzen here
at your service
> Wolfgang used the term "fall victim" in quotes to indicate that
he meant it in
> only the figurative sense. I meant it the same way in my
response. Surely no
> one can literally be victimized by a view of the world
my point is
surely one can
& indeed must
be literally victimized by a view of the world
in just the way this victim word has been thrown about here lately
whether with or without quotation marks
if this view
or figuration or word or belief or thought etc etc
is truly both ones view & negative
& i believe thats the only way anyone could ever be victimized by
anything in reality
& thats exactly how good & indeed how light it all really is here in
my view
or by the definition of a
> word.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@y...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as
monuments
>
>
> >
> > if you fall or are a victim of anything wolfgang
> > & let me say i dont believe you or any of us is
> > then it is a victimhood only in & of your own belief
> >
> > a belief in this case about victimhood itself
> >
> > for in reality there are no victims of anything but
> > their own misperception or misunderstanding of what is
> > actually happening
> >
> > we are all creating our own reality & our own
> > experience
> > with every belief & every thought we think
> >
> > fully responsible & positively divine we are
> >
> > so indeed all negativity is not just a nil & an ill
> > within ones creation
> > but is actually a lie
> >
> > perhaps not a deliberate or conscious lie
> >
> > & so some might consider it merely a slip or a
> > harmless indulgence when they do recognize it
> >
> > but every negative belief is pernicious nonetheless
> > within ones own creation
> > in that it is self limiting or even self defeating
> > & thus it is a form of self damage that in your terms
> > one really could fall victim to
> >
> > & i believe that is the only actual victimhood that is
> > even possible in this world
> >
> >
> >
> > you do add some new nonsense claims here tho
> > which also lose sight of the basic meanings of things
> >
> > for
> > normally & indeed always
> > so far as i know
> > boundary documentation is
> > the basic tale or info & proof of the boundary
> > &
> > boundary monumentation is
> > the reminder & demonstration of it
> >
> >
> > so confuse everything & dump victimhood on yourself
> > too if you absolutely must
> > tho of course i wish you wouldnt in our sight
> >
> > & if you feel you must dump on others
> > please at least notice first that you have your head
> > up your ass
> >
> >
> > at the very least i think you owe jesper & dominic &
> > mike & perhaps everyone a retraction & correction
> > for referring to them in 16554 as victims
> > of anything
> > whether in connection with our recent & highly
> > illustrious afcnpk try or otherwise
> >
> > & i think lowell owes you a similar apology &
> > correction for a similar misunderstanding of the word
> > victim in 16564
> > tho i agree with the rest of his finding
> >
> > --- Wolfgang Schaub
> > <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> >
> >> I claim bordermarkers are d o c u m e n t s
> >> "normally". If they are
> >> monuments, something is wrong in the
> >> self-understanding of the nation who
> >> places them.
> >>
> >> But maybe I "fall victim" of a neo-European view of
> >> the world.
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@y...]
> >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005 21:28
> >> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as
> >> monuments
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> indeed wolfgang
> >> bordermarkers
> >> a r e
> >> monuments
> >>
> >> & they are also ordinarily called boundary
> >> monuments
> >>
> >>
> >> i liked your explanation of
> >> unbroken
> >> too
> >> tho it is actually the exact opposite of what mr
> >> nasarbajew meant
> >> as he was saying there would be no broken borders
> >> not no unbroken borders
> >> hahahahaha
> >>
> >> & your equating unbroken with plowed is lovely too
> >> even if also contrary to common sense
> >> & even tho my unabridged dictionary & i have never
> >> heard of that
> >> uncommon or nonexistent sense either
> >> of the word plough or plow
> >>
> >> but perhaps you can substantiate this
> >> for it is the second crazy plough claim we have
> >> heard this week
> >> hahahaha
> >>
> >>
> >> oh & please do explain what you meant by victim
> >> too in your
> >> previous slurry before you proceed to pile on any
> >> more
> >> nonsense
> >>
> >> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang
> >> Schaub"
> >> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> >> > Just two examples:
> >> >
> >> > 1) The East:
> >> >
> >> > If you walk from Simikot / Humla District,
> >> Western Nepal,
> >> upwards in the
> >> > valley of the Humla Karnali Goshi, you will,
> >> after a few days,
> >> cross the
> >> > Nara Lagna pass at 4580 m down into the valley.
> >> Near the
> >> hamlet Hilsa the
> >> > river forms the Nepalese/Tibetan boundary.
> >> Crossing the river -
> >> which is
> >> > easily possible on a bridge, absolutely devoid
> >> of controls - one
> >> climbs up a
> >> > promontory to reach the prominently looking
> >> Chinese
> >> "bordermarker", with the
> >> > characters for "zhong" and "guo" - Land of the
> >> Middle - facing
> >> Nepal (!),
> >> > something which is unusual for Western
> >> bordermarkers. Not
> >> only this, but
> >> > also the fact that the dark-grey concrete pillar
> >> is about 200 m
> >> off the
> >> > river bed indicates it is meant as a "warning"
> >> against all wild
> >> barbarians =
> >> > non-Chinese, to keep off and be impressed.
> >> >
> >> > Walking on into Tibet, next came the village
> >> Sher - 3600 m -
> >> and a few miles
> >> > later the bigger village of Kojarnath. Here is
> >> the first Chinese
> >> police
> >> > station, with a timid young Chinese police
> >> officer holding out in
> >> his
> >> > hopeless position among hostile Tibetan locals.
> >> No controls
> >> either. Further
> >> > on, after another few miles, you will reach the
> >> little town of
> >> > Purong/Taklakot, where tea is waiting in the
> >> local guest house.
> >> Here you
> >> > will be met by Chinese green-uniform officials
> >> who will check
> >> your
> >> > passports, and, most important, stamp them, will
> >> have an
> >> interested look
> >> > into the smaller bags - the larger rucksacks
> >> remain
> >> unchecked. Finally the
> >> > friendly officials will stand up, together with
> >> the entire party, for
> >> an
> >> > "international friendship" group snapshot
> >> outside of the office.
> >> Afterwards
> >> > you are free to do whatever you like in Tibet -
> >> provided you find
> >> something
> >> > to eat.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, the pictures that I have are in my photo
> >> album.
> >> >
> >> > 2) The Soviet style:
> >> >
> >> > You best take the former inner-German border. It
> >> was
> >> "ploughed" and
> >> > "unbroken", to speak in Mr. Nasarbajew's
> >> terminology.
> >> Ploughed means there
> >> > was a broad, staggered security strip, with
> >> watchtowers and
> >> shooting ranges,
> >> > so that anybody trying to cross the border - an
> >> absolute crime
> >> in
> >> > communism - could easily be detected and
> >> "liquidated".
> >> Unbroken means it was
> >> > completely tight, no holes in between. The
> >> border fortification
> >> line did not
> >> > follow the "official" delineation - there have
> >> been deviations of
> >> up to
> >> > several hundred metres. I remember a place in
> >> Bavaria,
> >> where, next to the
> >> > sidewalk of a West German road, there stood the
> >> East German
> >> border marker in
> >> > a deep forest, while the "real" border was far
> >> away "ploughing"
> >> through a
> >> > better controllable back-country area. These
> >> were places
> >> where you could
> >> > take foreign visitors to when they wanted to be
> >> thrilled by
> >> stepping into
> >> > East Germany un-punished.
> >> >
> >> > In other words: The boundary fortifications
> >> served as a
> >> monument of warning.
> >> >
> >> > Wolfgang
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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