Lighten up, Mike.
Wolfgang used the term "fall victim" in quotes to indicate that he meant it in
only the figurative sense. I meant it the same way in my response. Surely no
one can literally be victimized by a view of the world or by the definition of a
word.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
>
> if you fall or are a victim of anything wolfgang
> & let me say i dont believe you or any of us is
> then it is a victimhood only in & of your own belief
>
> a belief in this case about victimhood itself
>
> for in reality there are no victims of anything but
> their own misperception or misunderstanding of what is
> actually happening
>
> we are all creating our own reality & our own
> experience
> with every belief & every thought we think
>
> fully responsible & positively divine we are
>
> so indeed all negativity is not just a nil & an ill
> within ones creation
> but is actually a lie
>
> perhaps not a deliberate or conscious lie
>
> & so some might consider it merely a slip or a
> harmless indulgence when they do recognize it
>
> but every negative belief is pernicious nonetheless
> within ones own creation
> in that it is self limiting or even self defeating
> & thus it is a form of self damage that in your terms
> one really could fall victim to
>
> & i believe that is the only actual victimhood that is
> even possible in this world
>
>
>
> you do add some new nonsense claims here tho
> which also lose sight of the basic meanings of things
>
> for
> normally & indeed always
> so far as i know
> boundary documentation is
> the basic tale or info & proof of the boundary
> &
> boundary monumentation is
> the reminder & demonstration of it
>
>
> so confuse everything & dump victimhood on yourself
> too if you absolutely must
> tho of course i wish you wouldnt in our sight
>
> & if you feel you must dump on others
> please at least notice first that you have your head
> up your ass
>
>
> at the very least i think you owe jesper & dominic &
> mike & perhaps everyone a retraction & correction
> for referring to them in 16554 as victims
> of anything
> whether in connection with our recent & highly
> illustrious afcnpk try or otherwise
>
> & i think lowell owes you a similar apology &
> correction for a similar misunderstanding of the word
> victim in 16564
> tho i agree with the rest of his finding
>
> --- Wolfgang Schaub
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@...> wrote:
>
>> I claim bordermarkers are d o c u m e n t s
>> "normally". If they are
>> monuments, something is wrong in the
>> self-understanding of the nation who
>> places them.
>>
>> But maybe I "fall victim" of a neo-European view of
>> the world.
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@...]
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005 21:28
>> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as
>> monuments
>>
>>
>>
>> indeed wolfgang
>> bordermarkers
>> a r e
>> monuments
>>
>> & they are also ordinarily called boundary
>> monuments
>>
>>
>> i liked your explanation of
>> unbroken
>> too
>> tho it is actually the exact opposite of what mr
>> nasarbajew meant
>> as he was saying there would be no broken borders
>> not no unbroken borders
>> hahahahaha
>>
>> & your equating unbroken with plowed is lovely too
>> even if also contrary to common sense
>> & even tho my unabridged dictionary & i have never
>> heard of that
>> uncommon or nonexistent sense either
>> of the word plough or plow
>>
>> but perhaps you can substantiate this
>> for it is the second crazy plough claim we have
>> heard this week
>> hahahaha
>>
>>
>> oh & please do explain what you meant by victim
>> too in your
>> previous slurry before you proceed to pile on any
>> more
>> nonsense
>>
>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang
>> Schaub"
>> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
>> > Just two examples:
>> >
>> > 1) The East:
>> >
>> > If you walk from Simikot / Humla District,
>> Western Nepal,
>> upwards in the
>> > valley of the Humla Karnali Goshi, you will,
>> after a few days,
>> cross the
>> > Nara Lagna pass at 4580 m down into the valley.
>> Near the
>> hamlet Hilsa the
>> > river forms the Nepalese/Tibetan boundary.
>> Crossing the river -
>> which is
>> > easily possible on a bridge, absolutely devoid
>> of controls - one
>> climbs up a
>> > promontory to reach the prominently looking
>> Chinese
>> "bordermarker", with the
>> > characters for "zhong" and "guo" - Land of the
>> Middle - facing
>> Nepal (!),
>> > something which is unusual for Western
>> bordermarkers. Not
>> only this, but
>> > also the fact that the dark-grey concrete pillar
>> is about 200 m
>> off the
>> > river bed indicates it is meant as a "warning"
>> against all wild
>> barbarians =
>> > non-Chinese, to keep off and be impressed.
>> >
>> > Walking on into Tibet, next came the village
>> Sher - 3600 m -
>> and a few miles
>> > later the bigger village of Kojarnath. Here is
>> the first Chinese
>> police
>> > station, with a timid young Chinese police
>> officer holding out in
>> his
>> > hopeless position among hostile Tibetan locals.
>> No controls
>> either. Further
>> > on, after another few miles, you will reach the
>> little town of
>> > Purong/Taklakot, where tea is waiting in the
>> local guest house.
>> Here you
>> > will be met by Chinese green-uniform officials
>> who will check
>> your
>> > passports, and, most important, stamp them, will
>> have an
>> interested look
>> > into the smaller bags - the larger rucksacks
>> remain
>> unchecked. Finally the
>> > friendly officials will stand up, together with
>> the entire party, for
>> an
>> > "international friendship" group snapshot
>> outside of the office.
>> Afterwards
>> > you are free to do whatever you like in Tibet -
>> provided you find
>> something
>> > to eat.
>> >
>> > Sorry, the pictures that I have are in my photo
>> album.
>> >
>> > 2) The Soviet style:
>> >
>> > You best take the former inner-German border. It
>> was
>> "ploughed" and
>> > "unbroken", to speak in Mr. Nasarbajew's
>> terminology.
>> Ploughed means there
>> > was a broad, staggered security strip, with
>> watchtowers and
>> shooting ranges,
>> > so that anybody trying to cross the border - an
>> absolute crime
>> in
>> > communism - could easily be detected and
>> "liquidated".
>> Unbroken means it was
>> > completely tight, no holes in between. The
>> border fortification
>> line did not
>> > follow the "official" delineation - there have
>> been deviations of
>> up to
>> > several hundred metres. I remember a place in
>> Bavaria,
>> where, next to the
>> > sidewalk of a West German road, there stood the
>> East German
>> border marker in
>> > a deep forest, while the "real" border was far
>> away "ploughing"
>> through a
>> > better controllable back-country area. These
>> were places
>> where you could
>> > take foreign visitors to when they wanted to be
>> thrilled by
>> stepping into
>> > East Germany un-punished.
>> >
>> > In other words: The boundary fortifications
>> served as a
>> monument of warning.
>> >
>> > Wolfgang
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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