I don't mean to imply that this intrasoviet border was plowed during Soviet
times, but rather now that the two post-Soviet nations are talking demarcation,
they want to reassure their peoples that it would not become a "broken
border"--that neither side would be doing any plowing.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KZRU
>
> well it sure sounds crazy enough to be true
> even if still hard to imagine on an intrasoviet border
>
> such as this one was
>
> but if such a practice is or was as widespread as you
> believe
> even on extrasoviet &or extracommie borders
> then i imagine it must have left some retrievable
> impression somewhere as well
> in some images or words more indicative than we have
> yet seen here
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...> wrote:
>
>> It was my impression that "broken borders" referred
>> to those with broken or
>> plowed ground--as was common on many iron-curtain
>> frontiers as a means of
>> detecting unauthorized crossing.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:21 PM
>> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KZRU
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
>> Nielsen"
>> > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=5314235&s
>> > tartrow=1&date=2005-01-17&do_alert=0
>> >> "There has been much talk about the issue, but we
>> are
>> > discussing delimitation, not demarcation. There
>> will be no
>> > broken borders, while the border crossing
>> arrangements will be
>> > preserved for Russian and Kazakh citizens," said
>> Mr
>> > Nazarbayev."
>> >>
>> >> What is broken borders?
>> >
>> > given the awkwardness of the overall rendering
>> into english
>> > it is my guess that the translator may have goofed
>> slightly here
>> > & should have said unsettled or unfixed rather
>> than broken
>> >
>> > like maybe in russian the ideas of unfixed & not
>> fixed & therefore
>> > broken are rather more synonymous than in english
>> >
>> > more below
>> >
>> >> Jesper
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Jesper Nielsen
>> >> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:44 PM
>> >> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] KZRU
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Strange how the Kazahs (and perhaps the
>> Russians)
>> > associate demarction borders with ploughing.
>> >
>> > this still puzzles me too
>> > but again maybe it is just a blown idiom
>> > like say for a fallow margin or a clearcut strip
>> > or something like that
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Kaz&pg=0&id=5784471&req=
>> >>
>> >> Is this really an open border?
>> >
>> > i cant reach this link any more
>> > but why & how do you suppose it might not be open
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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