The complete Google cache of the extinct French page can be viewed at
http://tinyurl.com/6w37l .
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
>
> ok good
> but i dont yet find all the confirmation you say we do
>
> & the impression i am getting from all of this taken
> together is that only the saudi border post is on the
> international island whose name we dont yet know
> as shown by the cia in 2003
> whereas the bahraini post seems not to be there facing
> the saudi post directly on that island at all
> for all i can gather
> but appears to be rather on this larger & also
> partially backfilled
> umm nasan
> or umm an nasan
> or umm al nasan
> island
> presumably properly so called in every case
> in proximity & together with the wildlife preserve etc
>
> in this i am taking both the travel images & the
> french source at their word about all of it
> rather than presuming there is any mistake at all
>
> for considering the change in the shape of this larger
> island also
> as also depicted by the cia between 1980 & 1991
> i dont believe that the french text
> however fragmentary or wobbly it may be
> necessarily refers to 2 different islands
> as i am guessing you presume it does
>
> for we are back at that delicate cleavage between what
> is actually confirmed & what is only supposed
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...> wrote:
>
>> Ooops! I goofed the URL too, although I did get us
>> to the PCL's Bahrain map
>> index page. A direct link to the 1980 map is
>> http://tinyurl.com/6pjvk .
>>
>> Yes, you did indeed speak of backfilling.
>>
>> I had not noticed the name "Umm Na'san" on the
>> larger natural island on the
>> maps. The name "Umm Al Na'san" seem to be applied
>> to the largely artificial
>> border-station island in the caption to a photo at
>> http://www.travel-images.com/bahrain.html . This is
>> probably an error by the
>> author of that page.
>>
>> In the Google cache of a now-extinct French web
>> site, we find confirmation not
>> only that the name belongs to the larger island, but
>> also that the photo in
>> question is that of the artificial border-station
>> island: "La douane se trouve
>> sur une île artificielle construite sur le détroit
>> qui sépare le Bahreïn du
>> continent. Sur l'île, il y a une tour avec un
>> restaurant qui offre un panorama
>> magnifique. Le pont traverse aussi l'île de Umm
>> Al-Na'san qui est une réserve
>> naturelle."
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:36 PM
>> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> oops & thanx & yes i mean enlarged by addition of
>> fill
>> or by backfilling as i finally also said
>>
>> & i may be able to translate
>> for whatever help that might be to you
>> but it appears from both the bahrain maps in the
>> link originally
>> brought by jesper & at pcl that umm al nasan is only
>> the much
>> larger island entirely within bahrain about 5km east
>> of the one
>> that appears to have been enlarged by saudi arabia
>> along the
>> bhsa maritime border
>> & to which i believe jesper is & am sure i am
>> referring to
>> & for which there is no name given on any map i have
>> yet seen
>>
>> but perhaps i have misunderstood you here
>>
>> or do you mean you have found reason to believe umm
>> al nasan
>> is the name of this international island also
>> however improbably
>>
>> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
>> McManus"
>> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
>> > The correct URL of the 1980 Bahrain map is:
>> > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/bahrain.html .
>> >
>> > By "compounded," I assume (from your reference to
>> Ellis
>> Island) that you mean
>> > enlarged by the addition of fill. There are
>> photos of part of the
>> King Fahd
>> > Causeway at
>> http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
>> > and at
>> > http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
>> .
>> > You can see that there are a number of artificial
>> islands
>> between the five
>> > bridge sections. The island in question is not
>> readily visible in
>> these photos.
>> >
>> > However, the web site at
>> > http://www.dawn.com/2005/01/14/int16.htm says "An
>> artificial
>> island was created
>> > halfway across the strait separating the two
>> countries, for
>> customs and
>> > immigration formalities."
>> >
>> > ..and finally, we find an excellent photo at
>> >
>> http://galen-frysinger.com/middle_east/bahrain28.jpg
>> showing
>> "the center
>> > station" on the causeway. Quite an elaborate set
>> of border
>> stations! Another
>> > web site with a small version of the same photo
>> gives the
>> name of the island as
>> > "Umm Al Na'san." Can anyone translate?
>> >
>> > Lowell G. McManus
>> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
>> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:46 PM
>> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
>> Nielsen"
>> > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/maps
>> > _maps.htm
>> > >
>> > > has nice maps of Märket Reef, Gibraltar, divided
>> island by
>> > Bahrain etc.
>> > >
>> > > Jesper
>> >
>> > this new supposedly
>> > divided island by bahrain
>> > appears to have actually been compounded rather
>> than divided
>> >
>> > & largely or entirely compounded by saudi arabia
>> > evidently
>> > rather than by bahrain necessarily at all
>> >
>> > & these are real distinctions that are perhaps
>> worth making
>> > for if you compare the 2003 bahrain map given at
>> this site to
>> the
>> > 1980 edition of essentially the same cia map also
>> given at pcl
>> > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/bahrain.html
>> > it appears the 1958 bhsa maritime boundary may
>> originally
>> have
>> > just nicked this island
>> > in the same way we have seen the maritime cafr
>> boundary just
>> > nick ile verte
>> >
>> > & thus the island appears to have been compounded
>> > somewhat like ellis island was
>> > albeit without any need for a judicial decision in
>> this case
>> >
>> > & i am guessing this work must have been done at
>> some time
>> > after the 1980 but before the 1991 edition of the
>> same map
>> also
>> > given here at pcl
>> >
>> > now i am not saying nothing at all was added to
>> the bahrain
>> side
>> >
>> > for i dont see how an originally single dry bhsa
>> point
>> > if indeed that is all it originally was
>> > could have been extended into a line by any amount
>> of
>> backfilling
>> >
>> > yet i do suppose that that is substantially if not
>> precisely what
>> > must have occurred
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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