Subject: Re: Map site
Date: Jan 30, 2005 @ 17:54
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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> but i should probably add in clarification that thehttp://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/maps
> only point that interested me very much
> in all of this mess
> was just whether the 1958 bhsa treaty
> originally created a 1972 cafr style ile verte nick
> as i figured it must have
>
> & it was only a presumptive ghost nick in view of both
> the sketchiness of all my data for guessing it
> & all the subsequent backfill on both sides of it
>
> but it would have been a predecessor to the odd nick
> that still exists on cafr
>
> & it would also be a quantum leap into the 20th
> century when compared to the still problematical 19th
> century style presumed granddaddy of all nicks
> at cape muzon alaska
> at the southern terminal point of the northern sector
> of the caus land border
>
> & i have indeed found this confirmation in article 1
> paragraph 8 of
> http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/ls012.pdf
> along with what was then evidently the bahraini name
> at least of the now international island
>
> lubainah al saghirah
>
> qed i suppose
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > ok good
> > but i dont yet find all the confirmation you say we
> > do
> >
> > & the impression i am getting from all of this taken
> > together is that only the saudi border post is on
> > the
> > international island whose name we dont yet know
> > as shown by the cia in 2003
> > whereas the bahraini post seems not to be there
> > facing
> > the saudi post directly on that island at all
> > for all i can gather
> > but appears to be rather on this larger & also
> > partially backfilled
> > umm nasan
> > or umm an nasan
> > or umm al nasan
> > island
> > presumably properly so called in every case
> > in proximity & together with the wildlife preserve
> > etc
> >
> > in this i am taking both the travel images & the
> > french source at their word about all of it
> > rather than presuming there is any mistake at all
> >
> > for considering the change in the shape of this
> > larger
> > island also
> > as also depicted by the cia between 1980 & 1991
> > i dont believe that the french text
> > however fragmentary or wobbly it may be
> > necessarily refers to 2 different islands
> > as i am guessing you presume it does
> >
> > for we are back at that delicate cleavage between
> > what
> > is actually confirmed & what is only supposed
> >
> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ooops! I goofed the URL too, although I did get
> > us
> > > to the PCL's Bahrain map
> > > index page. A direct link to the 1980 map is
> > > http://tinyurl.com/6pjvk .
> > >
> > > Yes, you did indeed speak of backfilling.
> > >
> > > I had not noticed the name "Umm Na'san" on the
> > > larger natural island on the
> > > maps. The name "Umm Al Na'san" seem to be applied
> > > to the largely artificial
> > > border-station island in the caption to a photo at
> >
> > > http://www.travel-images.com/bahrain.html . This
> > is
> > > probably an error by the
> > > author of that page.
> > >
> > > In the Google cache of a now-extinct French web
> > > site, we find confirmation not
> > > only that the name belongs to the larger island,
> > but
> > > also that the photo in
> > > question is that of the artificial border-station
> > > island: "La douane se trouve
> > > sur une île artificielle construite sur le détroit
> > > qui sépare le Bahreïn du
> > > continent. Sur l'île, il y a une tour avec un
> > > restaurant qui offre un panorama
> > > magnifique. Le pont traverse aussi l'île de Umm
> > > Al-Na'san qui est une réserve
> > > naturelle."
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:36 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > oops & thanx & yes i mean enlarged by addition of
> > > fill
> > > or by backfilling as i finally also said
> > >
> > > & i may be able to translate
> > > for whatever help that might be to you
> > > but it appears from both the bahrain maps in the
> > > link originally
> > > brought by jesper & at pcl that umm al nasan is
> > only
> > > the much
> > > larger island entirely within bahrain about 5km
> > east
> > > of the one
> > > that appears to have been enlarged by saudi arabia
> > > along the
> > > bhsa maritime border
> > > & to which i believe jesper is & am sure i am
> > > referring to
> > > & for which there is no name given on any map i
> > have
> > > yet seen
> > >
> > > but perhaps i have misunderstood you here
> > >
> > > or do you mean you have found reason to believe
> > umm
> > > al nasan
> > > is the name of this international island also
> > > however improbably
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > > McManus"
> > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > The correct URL of the 1980 Bahrain map is:
> > > > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/bahrain.html .
> > > >
> > > > By "compounded," I assume (from your reference
> > to
> > > Ellis
> > > Island) that you mean
> > > > enlarged by the addition of fill. There are
> > > photos of part of the
> > > King Fahd
> > > > Causeway at
> > > http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
> > > > and at
> > > >
> > http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
> > > .
> > > > You can see that there are a number of
> > artificial
> > > islands
> > > between the five
> > > > bridge sections. The island in question is not
> > > readily visible in
> > > these photos.
> > > >
> > > > However, the web site at
> > > > http://www.dawn.com/2005/01/14/int16.htm says
> > "An
> > > artificial
> > > island was created
> > > > halfway across the strait separating the two
> > > countries, for
> > > customs and
> > > > immigration formalities."
> > > >
> > > > ..and finally, we find an excellent photo at
> > > >
> > >
> > http://galen-frysinger.com/middle_east/bahrain28.jpg
> > > showing
> > > "the center
> > > > station" on the causeway. Quite an elaborate
> > set
> > > of border
> > > stations! Another
> > > > web site with a small version of the same photo
> > > gives the
> > > name of the island as
> > > > "Umm Al Na'san." Can anyone translate?
> > > >
> > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:46 PM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> > > Nielsen"
> > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > _maps.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > has nice maps of Märket Reef, Gibraltar,
> > divided
> > > island by
> >
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