Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
Date: Jan 30, 2005 @ 17:26
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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>http://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/maps
> ok good
> but i dont yet find all the confirmation you say we
> do
>
> & the impression i am getting from all of this taken
> together is that only the saudi border post is on
> the
> international island whose name we dont yet know
> as shown by the cia in 2003
> whereas the bahraini post seems not to be there
> facing
> the saudi post directly on that island at all
> for all i can gather
> but appears to be rather on this larger & also
> partially backfilled
> umm nasan
> or umm an nasan
> or umm al nasan
> island
> presumably properly so called in every case
> in proximity & together with the wildlife preserve
> etc
>
> in this i am taking both the travel images & the
> french source at their word about all of it
> rather than presuming there is any mistake at all
>
> for considering the change in the shape of this
> larger
> island also
> as also depicted by the cia between 1980 & 1991
> i dont believe that the french text
> however fragmentary or wobbly it may be
> necessarily refers to 2 different islands
> as i am guessing you presume it does
>
> for we are back at that delicate cleavage between
> what
> is actually confirmed & what is only supposed
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Ooops! I goofed the URL too, although I did get
> us
> > to the PCL's Bahrain map
> > index page. A direct link to the 1980 map is
> > http://tinyurl.com/6pjvk .
> >
> > Yes, you did indeed speak of backfilling.
> >
> > I had not noticed the name "Umm Na'san" on the
> > larger natural island on the
> > maps. The name "Umm Al Na'san" seem to be applied
> > to the largely artificial
> > border-station island in the caption to a photo at
>
> > http://www.travel-images.com/bahrain.html . This
> is
> > probably an error by the
> > author of that page.
> >
> > In the Google cache of a now-extinct French web
> > site, we find confirmation not
> > only that the name belongs to the larger island,
> but
> > also that the photo in
> > question is that of the artificial border-station
> > island: "La douane se trouve
> > sur une �le artificielle construite sur le d�troit
> > qui s�pare le Bahre�n du
> > continent. Sur l'�le, il y a une tour avec un
> > restaurant qui offre un panorama
> > magnifique. Le pont traverse aussi l'�le de Umm
> > Al-Na'san qui est une r�serve
> > naturelle."
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:36 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > oops & thanx & yes i mean enlarged by addition of
> > fill
> > or by backfilling as i finally also said
> >
> > & i may be able to translate
> > for whatever help that might be to you
> > but it appears from both the bahrain maps in the
> > link originally
> > brought by jesper & at pcl that umm al nasan is
> only
> > the much
> > larger island entirely within bahrain about 5km
> east
> > of the one
> > that appears to have been enlarged by saudi arabia
> > along the
> > bhsa maritime border
> > & to which i believe jesper is & am sure i am
> > referring to
> > & for which there is no name given on any map i
> have
> > yet seen
> >
> > but perhaps i have misunderstood you here
> >
> > or do you mean you have found reason to believe
> umm
> > al nasan
> > is the name of this international island also
> > however improbably
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > The correct URL of the 1980 Bahrain map is:
> > > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/bahrain.html .
> > >
> > > By "compounded," I assume (from your reference
> to
> > Ellis
> > Island) that you mean
> > > enlarged by the addition of fill. There are
> > photos of part of the
> > King Fahd
> > > Causeway at
> > http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
> > > and at
> > >
> http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
> > .
> > > You can see that there are a number of
> artificial
> > islands
> > between the five
> > > bridge sections. The island in question is not
> > readily visible in
> > these photos.
> > >
> > > However, the web site at
> > > http://www.dawn.com/2005/01/14/int16.htm says
> "An
> > artificial
> > island was created
> > > halfway across the strait separating the two
> > countries, for
> > customs and
> > > immigration formalities."
> > >
> > > ..and finally, we find an excellent photo at
> > >
> >
> http://galen-frysinger.com/middle_east/bahrain28.jpg
> > showing
> > "the center
> > > station" on the causeway. Quite an elaborate
> set
> > of border
> > stations! Another
> > > web site with a small version of the same photo
> > gives the
> > name of the island as
> > > "Umm Al Na'san." Can anyone translate?
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:46 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> > Nielsen"
> > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > _maps.htm=== message truncated ===
> > > >
> > > > has nice maps of M�rket Reef, Gibraltar,
> divided
> > island by
>