ok good
but i dont yet find all the confirmation you say we do

& the impression i am getting from all of this taken
together is that only the saudi border post is on the
international island whose name we dont yet know
as shown by the cia in 2003
whereas the bahraini post seems not to be there facing
the saudi post directly on that island at all
for all i can gather
but appears to be rather on this larger & also
partially backfilled
umm nasan
or umm an nasan
or umm al nasan
island
presumably properly so called in every case
in proximity & together with the wildlife preserve etc

in this i am taking both the travel images & the
french source at their word about all of it
rather than presuming there is any mistake at all

for considering the change in the shape of this larger
island also
as also depicted by the cia between 1980 & 1991
i dont believe that the french text
however fragmentary or wobbly it may be
necessarily refers to 2 different islands
as i am guessing you presume it does

for we are back at that delicate cleavage between what
is actually confirmed & what is only supposed

--- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...> wrote:

> Ooops! I goofed the URL too, although I did get us
> to the PCL's Bahrain map
> index page. A direct link to the 1980 map is
> http://tinyurl.com/6pjvk .
>
> Yes, you did indeed speak of backfilling.
>
> I had not noticed the name "Umm Na'san" on the
> larger natural island on the
> maps. The name "Umm Al Na'san" seem to be applied
> to the largely artificial
> border-station island in the caption to a photo at
> http://www.travel-images.com/bahrain.html . This is
> probably an error by the
> author of that page.
>
> In the Google cache of a now-extinct French web
> site, we find confirmation not
> only that the name belongs to the larger island, but
> also that the photo in
> question is that of the artificial border-station
> island: "La douane se trouve
> sur une �le artificielle construite sur le d�troit
> qui s�pare le Bahre�n du
> continent. Sur l'�le, il y a une tour avec un
> restaurant qui offre un panorama
> magnifique. Le pont traverse aussi l'�le de Umm
> Al-Na'san qui est une r�serve
> naturelle."
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:36 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
>
>
>
>
> oops & thanx & yes i mean enlarged by addition of
> fill
> or by backfilling as i finally also said
>
> & i may be able to translate
> for whatever help that might be to you
> but it appears from both the bahrain maps in the
> link originally
> brought by jesper & at pcl that umm al nasan is only
> the much
> larger island entirely within bahrain about 5km east
> of the one
> that appears to have been enlarged by saudi arabia
> along the
> bhsa maritime border
> & to which i believe jesper is & am sure i am
> referring to
> & for which there is no name given on any map i have
> yet seen
>
> but perhaps i have misunderstood you here
>
> or do you mean you have found reason to believe umm
> al nasan
> is the name of this international island also
> however improbably
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > The correct URL of the 1980 Bahrain map is:
> > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/bahrain.html .
> >
> > By "compounded," I assume (from your reference to
> Ellis
> Island) that you mean
> > enlarged by the addition of fill. There are
> photos of part of the
> King Fahd
> > Causeway at
> http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
> > and at
> > http://www.kingfahdbinabdulaziz.com/jpghi/f019.jpg
> .
> > You can see that there are a number of artificial
> islands
> between the five
> > bridge sections. The island in question is not
> readily visible in
> these photos.
> >
> > However, the web site at
> > http://www.dawn.com/2005/01/14/int16.htm says "An
> artificial
> island was created
> > halfway across the strait separating the two
> countries, for
> customs and
> > immigration formalities."
> >
> > ..and finally, we find an excellent photo at
> >
> http://galen-frysinger.com/middle_east/bahrain28.jpg
> showing
> "the center
> > station" on the causeway. Quite an elaborate set
> of border
> stations! Another
> > web site with a small version of the same photo
> gives the
> name of the island as
> > "Umm Al Na'san." Can anyone translate?
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:46 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> Nielsen"
> > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > >
> >
>

http://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/maps

> > _maps.htm
> > >
> > > has nice maps of M�rket Reef, Gibraltar, divided
> island by
> > Bahrain etc.
> > >
> > > Jesper
> >
> > this new supposedly
> > divided island by bahrain
> > appears to have actually been compounded rather
> than divided
> >
> > & largely or entirely compounded by saudi arabia
> > evidently
> > rather than by bahrain necessarily at all
> >
> > & these are real distinctions that are perhaps
> worth making
> > for if you compare the 2003 bahrain map given at
> this site to
> the
> > 1980 edition of essentially the same cia map also
> given at pcl
> > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/bahrain.html
> > it appears the 1958 bhsa maritime boundary may
> originally
> have
> > just nicked this island
> > in the same way we have seen the maritime cafr
> boundary just
> > nick ile verte
> >
> > & thus the island appears to have been compounded
> > somewhat like ellis island was
> > albeit without any need for a judicial decision in
> this case
> >
> > & i am guessing this work must have been done at
> some time
> > after the 1980 but before the 1991 edition of the
> same map
> also
> > given here at pcl
> >
> > now i am not saying nothing at all was added to
> the bahrain
> side
> >
> > for i dont see how an originally single dry bhsa
> point
> > if indeed that is all it originally was
> > could have been extended into a line by any amount
> of
> backfilling
> >
> > yet i do suppose that that is substantially if not
> precisely what
> > must have occurred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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