In addition to Lowell's well defined quad-point in
Nebraska, there are four others on the 6th Principal Meridian in
Nebraska
one of which is shared with Kansas and has been discussed here
before. I haven't checked the Standard Parallel status
of these but the one
at the KS-NE boundary should be a sure thing for a perfect cardinal-cross
quadripoint since it is at the
base line for the 6th Principal Meridian.
Jack
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:31
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Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] vernal ut re
kearney ne Re: sidney ia
[By popular demand, Lowell
now points his TextoPunctoScope to the purported
Butler, Polk, Seward, York
quadripoint in Nebraska.]
The Nebraska Revised Statutes describe the SW
corner of Butler as "the southwest
corner of township 13 north, range 1
east." (Interestingly, the northern
boundary of Butler along the
meandering Platte River was amended effective
January 1, 2004 to conform to
a long series of bearings and distances.)
The SE corner of Polk is "the
southeast corner of township thirteen, north, of
range one, west."
This point would be nominally identical with the SW corner of
Butler
described above.
The NW corner of Seward is "the northwest corner of
township twelve, north, of
range one, east." Again, this is nominally
identical with the two corners
described above.
The NE corner of
York is "the northeast corner of township twelve, north, of
range one,
west." Again, we have nominal agreement.
Now, is there any offset
in either the range line or the township line that
would make this
something other than a perfect quadripoint? The answer is "No."
I can
say this because the range line in question here is the Sixth
Principal
Meridian itself. As such, it would have no offsets at all,
being a continuous
true meridian throughout its territory. The
township line in question is the
Third Standard Parallel North (of the
Sixth Principal Meridian's Base
Line)--each fourth township line being a
standard parallel. The standard
parallels are surveyed before any of
the other nearby range and township lines.
The range lines are surveyed due
north (not south) from each standard parallel,
so it is on the standard
parallels that you would expect to find offsets in
range lines to correct
for accumulated convergence of meridians and any
accumulated error.
Again, this is no ordinary range line, however, but the
Sixth
Principal Meridian.
So, I think we can adjudge this a perfect
cardinal-cross quadripoint.
To our non-American friends, for whom the
United States Public Land Survey must
be a deep mystery, I apologize.
:-)
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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From: "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@...>
To:
<BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:38
AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney
ia
>
>
> good point
>
> so any empirical
solution will likely yield not a single particular
> point
> but
perhaps only a silly millimeter of truth
>
> but now that i have
seen lowell take cone to the cleaners by
> exclusively textual
means
> i think even more promising than any such empirical
means
> or than the official cartographical means i also suggested last
week
> would be finding all the pertinent texts
>
> because
if we can do that for one prospective megapoint
> we ought to be able to
do it for all of them
>
> or nearly all
> allowing for the
unknown to enter again
>
>
> & in the meantime
> i
am happy to report i plowed thru rabbit ears pass ok last night
> just
me & the snow plows i mean
> & ate up a lot of gorgeous country
in the dark & then by moonlight
> but have skirted most of both the
snow & the cold
> having arrived in somewhat of a promised
land
>
> more later
>
> --- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
>
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > "say
> > by halving
the empirical width of the road beds
> > diagonally across
>
> the intersection
> > or by employing some other still more
definitive test
> > if possible"
> > --> For the fractal
people: A road bed is just as
> > fractal as a stream bed or
shoreline.
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > very
interesting
> > > thanx
> > > & no need to be
afraid so long as you dont blow
> > > reality too far out
>
> > of proportion
> > > & even then no problem really
either
> > > since even a revoked poetic license can easily
be
> > > restored
> > >
> > >
> >
> indeed the following q&a just came on line from
> > >
multidimensional
> > > reality
> > > for today
only
> > > so here it is again for posterity too
> > >
as follows
> > >
> > >
> > > is it
reality
> > > or is it not reality
> > >
> >
> a l l
> > > things are reality
> > >
> >
> even if only one is imagining it
> > > it is a reality in
that the thought has been offered
> > >
> > > &
someone who has the ability to translate that
> > > vibration
will
> > > perceive it
> > >
> > > it must
be fair to say that anything that can be
> > > perceived must
be
> > > reality because as creators your reality depends
>
> > upon what you are
> > > willing to imagine &
allow
> > >
> > >
> > > end quote
>
> >
> > >
> > > so maybe i was being little hard
on those of you i
> > > asked to get real
> > > the
other day
> > >
> > > it is just that for me
>
> > the only reality worth trying for here is the
> > >
multidimensional one
> > >
> > > & tho
multipointing was the original focus of bp
> > > it is true that
anything goes here now
> > > & anything at all lovely is
indeed well appreciated
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > now
> > > back to the nitty gritty
reality
> > > i was drawn to a particular quadricounty
point
> > > probability here in
> > > nebraska
yesterday
> > > namely butler polk seward york aka
buposeyo
> > > situated just northeast of gresham
> >
> because it looked like a near miss in my 17dollar
> > >
delorme nebraska
> > > atlas
> > > & i was curious
to see just how close of a near miss
> > > it was
> >
>
> > > this atlas however has since then repeatedly
>
> > demonstrated its
> > > complete inadequacy
> >
> so luckily i stopped at a library & checked this
> > >
megapoint out at
> > > topozone too before barging ahead
>
> >
> > > & lo & behold
> > > usgs shows
it not as a near miss at all but as a
> > > perfect road
>
> > centerline cross
> > >
> > > er
> >
> not to get too excited yet either tho
> > > since the usgs
has long since demonstrated its
> > > inadequacy too
> >
>
> > >
> > > but what was most interesting in the
event was that
> > > each of the 4
> > > corners of
this simple road intersection proved to
> > > have been
>
> > signposted with its own pair of street names
> > > &
the 8 names thus produced for these 2 humble dirt
> > > roads were
all
> > > different
> > >
> > >
yikes
> > > quite a scene
> > >
> > > this
4 signpost situation
> > > which is not unique
> > >
for i have previously encountered it at several
> > > other
midwestern
> > > megapoints
> > > finally impressed me
this time as being quite
> > > significant
> > > &
nearly sufficient proof for confirming a
> > > centerline
intersection
> > > quadripoint
> > > as distinct from
some pair of very near miss
> > > tripoints
> >
>
> > > & it occurs to me that the only higher level
of
> > > proof might be to
> > > find official
roadmaps of all 4 counties agreeing to
> > > this point
>
> >
> > >
> > > still a final difficulty may be
encountered if you
> > > try to actually
> > > touch
or mark the megaconjunction with your big toe
> > > there in the
dust
> > >
> > > for then you see that the 4
convergent roads wiggle
> > > about quite a
> > > bit
not only in terms of their bearings but also
> > > their
widths
> > > & to such a degree that the square inch you
thought
> > > you nailed with
> > > your toe
>
> > might better be expressed as a square foot
> > > or even
a square yard
> > >
> > > not that this is really a
problem
> > >
> > > for i suppose the actual governing
principle is that
> > > the convergent
> > > counties
all maintain a half share of each road
> > > wherever &
however it wiggles
> > > so the location of the truest available
quadripoint
> > > can probably be
> > > more
accurately determined than i actually did by
> > > eyeballing
it
> > >
> > > say
> > > by halving the
empirical width of the road beds
> > > diagonally across
>
> > the intersection
> > > or by employing some other still
more definitive
> > > test if possible
> > >
>
> >
> > > & having resolved that nagging issue to my
most
> > > complete
> > > satisfaction ever
>
> > i am off next to one of my favorite points
> > > namely
cone on cone
> > > or the northeast corner of colorado
>
> > on the colorado nebraska state line
> > >
> >
> there is some interesting bp history on this point
> > >
which i will try
> > > to dig up on my next computer
session
> > > after posting this much now