thanx
& best wishes for many more textopunctoscopies
presumably this means the road centerline intersection i hit with my
big toe
with your new hi tech state of the art
it may be possible to complete our megapointing usa prospectus now in
a single lifetime
i think it may still require empirical roadbed measurements tho
in cases like this
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> [By popular demand, Lowell now points his TextoPunctoScope to the
purported
> Butler, Polk, Seward, York quadripoint in Nebraska.]
>
> The Nebraska Revised Statutes describe the SW corner of Butler
as "the southwest
> corner of township 13 north, range 1 east." (Interestingly, the
northern
> boundary of Butler along the meandering Platte River was amended
effective
> January 1, 2004 to conform to a long series of bearings and
distances.)
>
> The SE corner of Polk is "the southeast corner of township
thirteen, north, of
> range one, west." This point would be nominally identical with the
SW corner of
> Butler described above.
>
> The NW corner of Seward is "the northwest corner of township
twelve, north, of
> range one, east." Again, this is nominally identical with the two
corners
> described above.
>
> The NE corner of York is "the northeast corner of township twelve,
north, of
> range one, west." Again, we have nominal agreement.
>
> Now, is there any offset in either the range line or the township
line that
> would make this something other than a perfect quadripoint? The
answer is "No."
> I can say this because the range line in question here is the Sixth
Principal
> Meridian itself. As such, it would have no offsets at all, being a
continuous
> true meridian throughout its territory. The township line in
question is the
> Third Standard Parallel North (of the Sixth Principal Meridian's
Base
> Line)--each fourth township line being a standard parallel. The
standard
> parallels are surveyed before any of the other nearby range and
township lines.
> The range lines are surveyed due north (not south) from each
standard parallel,
> so it is on the standard parallels that you would expect to find
offsets in
> range lines to correct for accumulated convergence of meridians and
any
> accumulated error. Again, this is no ordinary range line,
however, but the
> Sixth Principal Meridian.
>
> So, I think we can adjudge this a perfect cardinal-cross
quadripoint.
>
> To our non-American friends, for whom the United States Public Land
Survey must
> be a deep mystery, I apologize. :-)
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:38 AM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
>
>
> >
> >
> > good point
> >
> > so any empirical solution will likely yield not a single
particular
> > point
> > but perhaps only a silly millimeter of truth
> >
> > but now that i have seen lowell take cone to the cleaners by
> > exclusively textual means
> > i think even more promising than any such empirical means
> > or than the official cartographical means i also suggested last
week
> > would be finding all the pertinent texts
> >
> > because if we can do that for one prospective megapoint
> > we ought to be able to do it for all of them
> >
> > or nearly all
> > allowing for the unknown to enter again
> >
> >
> > & in the meantime
> > i am happy to report i plowed thru rabbit ears pass ok last night
> > just me & the snow plows i mean
> > & ate up a lot of gorgeous country in the dark & then by moonlight
> > but have skirted most of both the snow & the cold
> > having arrived in somewhat of a promised land
> >
> > more later
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > "say
> > > by halving the empirical width of the road beds
> > > diagonally across
> > > the intersection
> > > or by employing some other still more definitive test
> > > if possible"
> > > --> For the fractal people: A road bed is just as
> > > fractal as a stream bed or shoreline.
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > very interesting
> > > > thanx
> > > > & no need to be afraid so long as you dont blow
> > > > reality too far out
> > > > of proportion
> > > > & even then no problem really either
> > > > since even a revoked poetic license can easily be
> > > > restored
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > indeed the following q&a just came on line from
> > > > multidimensional
> > > > reality
> > > > for today only
> > > > so here it is again for posterity too
> > > > as follows
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > is it reality
> > > > or is it not reality
> > > >
> > > > a l l
> > > > things are reality
> > > >
> > > > even if only one is imagining it
> > > > it is a reality in that the thought has been offered
> > > >
> > > > & someone who has the ability to translate that
> > > > vibration will
> > > > perceive it
> > > >
> > > > it must be fair to say that anything that can be
> > > > perceived must be
> > > > reality because as creators your reality depends
> > > > upon what you are
> > > > willing to imagine & allow
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > end quote
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > so maybe i was being little hard on those of you i
> > > > asked to get real
> > > > the other day
> > > >
> > > > it is just that for me
> > > > the only reality worth trying for here is the
> > > > multidimensional one
> > > >
> > > > & tho multipointing was the original focus of bp
> > > > it is true that anything goes here now
> > > > & anything at all lovely is indeed well appreciated
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > now
> > > > back to the nitty gritty reality
> > > > i was drawn to a particular quadricounty point
> > > > probability here in
> > > > nebraska yesterday
> > > > namely butler polk seward york aka buposeyo
> > > > situated just northeast of gresham
> > > > because it looked like a near miss in my 17dollar
> > > > delorme nebraska
> > > > atlas
> > > > & i was curious to see just how close of a near miss
> > > > it was
> > > >
> > > > this atlas however has since then repeatedly
> > > > demonstrated its
> > > > complete inadequacy
> > > > so luckily i stopped at a library & checked this
> > > > megapoint out at
> > > > topozone too before barging ahead
> > > >
> > > > & lo & behold
> > > > usgs shows it not as a near miss at all but as a
> > > > perfect road
> > > > centerline cross
> > > >
> > > > er
> > > > not to get too excited yet either tho
> > > > since the usgs has long since demonstrated its
> > > > inadequacy too
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > but what was most interesting in the event was that
> > > > each of the 4
> > > > corners of this simple road intersection proved to
> > > > have been
> > > > signposted with its own pair of street names
> > > > & the 8 names thus produced for these 2 humble dirt
> > > > roads were all
> > > > different
> > > >
> > > > yikes
> > > > quite a scene
> > > >
> > > > this 4 signpost situation
> > > > which is not unique
> > > > for i have previously encountered it at several
> > > > other midwestern
> > > > megapoints
> > > > finally impressed me this time as being quite
> > > > significant
> > > > & nearly sufficient proof for confirming a
> > > > centerline intersection
> > > > quadripoint
> > > > as distinct from some pair of very near miss
> > > > tripoints
> > > >
> > > > & it occurs to me that the only higher level of
> > > > proof might be to
> > > > find official roadmaps of all 4 counties agreeing to
> > > > this point
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > still a final difficulty may be encountered if you
> > > > try to actually
> > > > touch or mark the megaconjunction with your big toe
> > > > there in the dust
> > > >
> > > > for then you see that the 4 convergent roads wiggle
> > > > about quite a
> > > > bit not only in terms of their bearings but also
> > > > their widths
> > > > & to such a degree that the square inch you thought
> > > > you nailed with
> > > > your toe
> > > > might better be expressed as a square foot
> > > > or even a square yard
> > > >
> > > > not that this is really a problem
> > > >
> > > > for i suppose the actual governing principle is that
> > > > the convergent
> > > > counties all maintain a half share of each road
> > > > wherever & however it wiggles
> > > > so the location of the truest available quadripoint
> > > > can probably be
> > > > more accurately determined than i actually did by
> > > > eyeballing it
> > > >
> > > > say
> > > > by halving the empirical width of the road beds
> > > > diagonally across
> > > > the intersection
> > > > or by employing some other still more definitive
> > > > test if possible
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > & having resolved that nagging issue to my most
> > > > complete
> > > > satisfaction ever
> > > > i am off next to one of my favorite points
> > > > namely cone on cone
> > > > or the northeast corner of colorado
> > > > on the colorado nebraska state line
> > > >
> > > > there is some interesting bp history on this point
> > > > which i will try
> > > > to dig up on my next computer session
> > > > after posting this much now