Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map<br/>
Date: Oct 14, 2004 @ 21:19<br/>
Author: Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld &lt;blofeld_es@yahoo.com&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1213844239">--- Jesper Nielsen &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:jesniel@image.dk">jesniel@image.dk</a>&gt; wrote:<br/>
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<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; Are we here<br/>
&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.wall-berlin.org/cadre/chine11.jpg">http://www.wall-berlin.org/cadre/chine11.jpg</a> looking<br/>
&gt; from west into east?<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>Yes, absolutely.<br/>
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<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; How far could the easterners get to the tor?<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>They could get to where the black line east of the<br/>
Pariser Platz is on your excellent map. Your are right<br/>
in naming it the Hinterlandsicherungsmauer, which<br/>
would translate to something like &quot;back wall&quot; (as<br/>
opposed to the &quot;front wall&quot;, visible from the west).<br/>
<br/>
The HiSM at the Parizer Platz was first an ugly<br/>
concrete contraption, like the rest of the thing, but<br/>
was gradually replaced with a lower metal fence. It<br/>
also had two large sliding doors just at the Pariser<br/>
Platz which could be pulled aside. To my knowledge<br/>
those doors were frequently open, but the Platz itself<br/>
was nonetheless off limits except if you participated<br/>
in a West Berlin oogling tour (yes, the had those!)<br/>
where you were allowed right up to the east side of<br/>
the front wall, and could even climb a little platform<br/>
to take in the full depravation of imperialism a few<br/>
meters away.<br/>
<br/>
It would be quite interesting if one of our german<br/>
members could elaborate a little on the subject,<br/>
perhaps with first hand experience?<br/>
<br/>
I believe the map is from Hagen Koch&#39;s collection of<br/>
former Grenzpolizei-Karten. I also believe it is one<br/>
of about three sheets that he has put in the public<br/>
domain. There are at least a few houndred other sheets<br/>
that would be of interest to the world. They are for<br/>
sale, each at a disturbingly high price.<br/>
<br/>
M<br/>
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Attachment: The oogling platform visible to the right<br/>
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