Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some thoughts on claves
Date: Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:54
Author: Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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I was speaking of East German toleration of West
Berlin.

--- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> whatever specific case you mean by
> it
> your statement is probably true if they have stopped
> fighting there
> & havent resumed
>
> but false so long as they are still fighting or
> actually under siege
>
> or has your point escaped me
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "mikekaufman79"
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > But it was tolerated to the extent that they did
> not resume active
> > fighting. They might not have liked it, but they
> did tolerate it
> > enough not to engage in significant live-fire
> military operations
> > with the goal of eliminating it.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > Mike wrote:
> > >
> > > > places under siege are exceptional
> > > > in not being tolerated
> > > > yet are basically archetypical of enclaves
> also
> > > >
> > > > nor do these necessarily result from the
> division of some
> larger
> > > > entity
> > > >
> > > > but many enclaves are just the result of
> military standoffs
> > >
> > > You are correct, but I did not say that ALL
> enclaves result
> from
> > the division of
> > > larger entities, but that most modern ones do.
> > >
> > > I suppose that West Berlin was an enclave
> besieged. It was
> clearly
> > not
> > > tolerated by the surrounding power, but it
> persisted as a
> result of
> > a military
> > > stand-off. Its ability to persist depended
> entirely on its
> > resupply via a
> > > sovereign airspace corridor that the surrounding
> power
> dared not
> > violate. Some
> > > might argue that the existence of that corridor
> made it less
> than
> > completely
> > > enclaved in all three dimensions.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>




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