--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> The map in the link says nothing about Taiwan and
> Louisa Reef as far as I can see.
true but taiwan claims all the spratlys
with no known exceptions
just as do china & vietnam
so i have assumed each of their claims includes louisa reef
& malaysia & brunei lay explicit claim to louisa also
but without claiming all the other spratlys
i dont know what the vietnam petroleum block claim is or means
but there is no reason to suppose it limits the vietnamese claim
to all the spratlys
& there are many reefs & shoals beyond it with vietnamese
names
apparently including the vietnamese occupied pigeon reef
the small pentagonal ocean area you identify below as claimed
by 5 countries is more likely actually claimed by all 6
presumably including taiwan
since maritime claims follow from land claims
neither the map nor list purports to be exhaustive
so not every claim to every spratly is shown &or mentioned
& of course not every claim to every spratly is backed up by actual
occupation
in fact most of them are deserted
end inserts
And it looks like it
> falls outside the Vietnam Petroleum Block Claim. On
> the basis of the map alone, it looks like China,
> Brunei, and Malaysia claim it. There is one small
> ocean area - China, Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines,
> Vietnam - with no depicted islands or reefs.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > tho the philippines do claim several of the spratly
> > islands
> > & tho all 6 bncnmyphtwvn countries claim at least 1
> > spratly each
> > the philippines dont claim louisa reef as the
> > bncnmytwvn 5 do
> >
> > moreover
> > since none of the other individual spratlys is
> > claimed by more
> > than 4 of the 6 spratly countries
> > & since no other place in the world is claimed by
> > more than 3
> > countries
> > louisa reef stands alone as the hottest real estate
> > on earth
> > &or under the sea
> >
> > for the basis of my arithmetic
> > please refer again to message 14049
> > & especially to the color coded annotated map in the
> > link there
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > Why not 6 country with Philippines?
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > yes we have had this report at least since
> > message
> > > > 14049
> > > > when i still imagined she was only a 4country
> > reef
> > > >
> > > > see under louisa in alphabetical list of
> > spratlys in
> > > > the middlebury
> > > > link there
> > > >
> > > > only later did it dawn on me that the bruneian
> > claim
> > > > to her was
> > > > just as real as the 4 others
> > > > despite its being unique in not acknowledging
> > the
> > > > reef as dry
> > > > land but only as maritime territory
> > > >
> > > > but i generally prefer my theories as spare &
> > lean
> > > > as possible
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > > > McManus"
> > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > Each theory is as good as the other.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we know for fact that the lighthouse or
> > > > navigation beacon
> > > > was Malaysian, or
> > > > > is that theory too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:47 PM
> > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible
> > BNCNMYTWVN
> > > > 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > well no need to postulate a greater mystery
> > in
> > > > order to solve
> > > > a
> > > > > > lesser one
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & i think a single 5country obelisk in the
> > sea
> > > > is plenty for the
> > > > time
> > > > > > being
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the so called lighthouse or beacon
> > > > > > whether it was mounted atop the obelisk or
> > not
> > > > > > could easily have just been a small
> > reflector or
> > > > glow type
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the lawn of my estate here on cream hill is
> > > > littered with solar
> > > > > > powered night lights comprised of 6inch
> > plastic
> > > > cubes that
> > > > just
> > > > > > stick into the ground
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & the 2 blocklike forms you have spotted on
> > the
> > > > reef could
> > > > easily
> > > > > > have come from the top of the single known
> > > > obelisk
> > > > > > the height of which does indeed appear to
> > have
> > > > been
> > > > reduced
> > > > > > as detailed below
> > > > > > by the necessary 15 or 20 percent to account
> > for
> > > > them
> > > > > > give or take a beacon
> > > > > > & were perhaps shot down by the same chinese
> > > > gunboat
> > > > that
> > > > > > perhaps shot out the light
> > > > > >
> > > > > > leaving stone markers to claim sovereignty
> > over
> > > > islets
> > > > > > &or destroying such markers to deny it
> > > > > > has been a fixture thruout the china seas
> > since
> > > > 1895
> > > > > >
> > > > > > after malaysia destroyed the chinese marker
> > here
> > > > > > it seems to me
> > > > > > the least china could have done was destroy
> > the
> > > > malaysian
> > > > light
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anyway so little for my theory
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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