yes & i see at border base that this slightly tilted obeliskoid
doesnt really have an apex point but a small square flat top on it
fortunately for the sitter too
but was there any dimple or other design evident on the top
& apart from the marked or unmarked center of this top face
what other candidates for true ltplru did you also entertain there
funny how such rare birds as these flat topped obeliskoids are
flocking together here today too
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> Yes but that is LT-PL-RU. I remember thinking we were
> unsure that the marker was the tripoint. I don't
> think this was ever resolved since the GBBE.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > if you are struggling & clambering up to reach a
> > tripoint at the
> > pinnacle of some tall monument or other object
> > maybe standing on top of your car or someones
> > shoulders
> > it isnt necessary nor always possible to get your
> > feet etc on top
> >
> > but sometimes all you can do is stretch up to the
> > tripoint position
> > with a single quivering fingertip for your class a
> >
> > & all else being equal
> > i think that will usually be the right index finger
> >
> > & since the sense of touch alone might not suffice
> > for certainty
> > & you might want to be sure to see what you are
> > doing too
> > in your moment of truth
> > the eyeball most likely to make first contact with
> > the fully
> > extended right arm & index finger is of course the
> > left one
> >
> > a southpaw or northeye might find just the opposite
> > to be true
> > i dont know
> >
> > but in any case i think anyone who takes the trouble
> > to compare
> > eyeballs will most likely prefer the left one for
> > sighting in general
> > because it usually sees more deeply if not actually
> > more clearly
> >
> >
> http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tpphoto2/086114118.jpg
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > why right index finger and left eye (as opposed to
> > > left finger right eye)?
> > > And who was the Baltic sitter? I dont think it
> > could
> > > have been part of GBBE since 3 wet TPs, 1 with
> > > soldiers and not sure of position, 1 very short
> > > TPmarker (lat lith belarus).
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Petter
> > Brabec
> > > > <pete2784west@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > & of course there are also our supposedly
> > > > objective
> > > > > > classifications of the objective accuracy of
> > our
> > > > visits
> > > > > >
> > > > > > COULD YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT DO
YOU
> > > > > EXACTLY MEAN HERE?
> > > >
> > > > not sure if this is the old query or a request
> > for
> > > > more specificity
> > > >
> > > > by supposedly objective here i mean the endeavor
> > has
> > > > been to
> > > > isolate all possible or all major distinct
> > qualities
> > > > of visits & tries
> > > > that everyone could recognize as their own
> > > > & then to combine all these into the truest &
> > most
> > > > beautiful
> > > > dartboard bullseye design conception possible
> > > > such that everyone might appreciate the result
> > > > enough to
> > > > specially honor it
> > > > whether as so much more folk art or as some
> > > > objective creation
> > > >
> > > > but of course we are also aware that
> > > > owing to the limitations of physical existence
> > > > everyone sees objective truth to at least some
> > > > extent subjectively
> > > > & differently from everyone else
> > > >
> > > > so one can never be too gentle or tentative
> > about
> > > > objectivity
> > > >
> > > > & a bonus such extra care & sensitivity pays us
> > > > is
> > > > to be able to distinguish & appreciate better
> > all
> > > > the various
> > > > subjectivities that may also enter into the
> > > > discussion
> > > >
> > > > but it is all a function of consciously &
> > > > deliberately seeking the
> > > > truest available truth at every step of every
> > try
> > > >
> > > > > > for how close one can get we have been using
> > an
> > > > abcde
> > > > scale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WHICH IS?
> > > >
> > > > ok
> > > > now i realize these were both old queries
> > > > but i am glad i blundered into adding the above
> > > >
> > > > > class a
> > > > > means
> > > > > you absolutely got it
> > > > > & this is normally applied only to marked
> > > > tripoints
> > > > > where typically you could put your fingertip
> > on
> > > > the dimple or
> > > > > crosshairs or apex that the monument itself
> > uses
> > > > to represent
> > > > > the tripoint
> > > > > or it could also be the precise pinnacle of an
> > > > unmarked
> > > > summit
> > > > > tripoint
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > IS SITTING ON THE TOP OF THE MARKED CROSS OF
> > THE
> > > > TRIPOINT STONE, LIKE SAY ON THE ARNOLDSTEIN,
THE
> >
> > > > ULTIMATE CLASS A ? MY GUESS IS, MAYBE NOT
> > ENOUGH.
> > > >
> > > > hahahahaha
> > > > the several known tricountry crosses may indeed
> > > > present the
> > > > greatest challenges in the world for true
> > > > trypointers
> > > >
> > > > but the beau geste you invent & the body part
> > you
> > > > choose for
> > > > attaining your multihood are entirely optional &
> > > > personal
> > > >
> > > > i myself prefer using the heart or lips
> > > > but the right index finger &or the left eyeball
> > can
> > > > be equally true
> > > > especially in combination
> > > > when scaling a particularly difficult or
> > precarious
> > > > monument
> > > >
> > > > however
> > > > any skin or even clothed body part at all on the
> > > > true point means
> > > > the ne plus ultra of objective absoluteness has
> > been
> > > > attained
> > > >
> > > > beyond that lies personal artistry of course
> > > > but you are already in the pupil & beam of the
> > bulls
> > > > eye
> > > > & there is nowhere left to go
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i think one well known point sitter has already
> > > > achieved a degree
> > > > of penetration tho
> > > > if that is what you were really wondering &
> > > > supposing
> > > > but it was by an obelisk apex
> > > > somewhere in the baltics
> > > >
> > > > this has never been done on top of a cross so
> > far as
> > > > i know
> > > > & probably shouldnt be undertaken until at least
> > a
> > > > modicum of
> > > > levitation skills have been attained
> > > >
> > > > > class b
> > > > > means
> > > > > you have basically been there as best as could
> > be
> > > > > & this is normally applied only to unmarked
> > points
> > > > > where the range of possible precision does
> > vary
> > > > > but it presupposes the same maximum diligence
> > as
> > > > class a
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > class c
> > > > > means
> > > > > you got close enough to actually see the
> > tripoint
> > > > > or else to clearly visualize the tripoint
> > location
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > HERE YOU OBVIOUSLY MEAN WITH YOUR OWN
EYES IN
> > > > THE TERRAIN, RIGHT?
> > > >
> > > > yes
> > > >
> > > > of course we are always doing this here with our
> > > > minds eyes too
> > > > but these are virtual tries
> > > > so we havent been counting them the same way
> > > >
> > > > > class d
> > > > > means
> > > > > you got a distant glimpse
> > > > > & only a general sense of the location
> > > > >
> > > > > class e
> > > > > means
> > > > > you earnestly tried but your objective
> > completely
> > > > eluded you
> > > > > & for whatever reason & at whatever distance
> > > > > you never even saw the exact tripoint location
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > THESE WET TRIPOINTS COULD BE VISUALIZED BY
> > USING
> > > > LASERGADGETS. SAY THIS ATCHLTN TRIPOINT
LOCATED
> > ON
> > > > RHEIN RIVER. GET YOUR LASERS READY, GET THREE
> > GUYS
> > > > IN THE POSITION BY THE WITNESSMARKERS ON THE
> > > > RHEIN'S SHORES AND BEAM. THEN YOU´LL GET
> > YOURSELF
> > > > FAIRLY GOOD PICTURE OF WHERE EXACTEMENT
THIS
> > > > TRIPOINT IS LOCATED. THEN, WHILE BEAMING,
> > EVERYONE
> > > > CAN GET INTO THEIR CANOE AND PADDLE STRAIGHT
AT
> > THE
> > > > INTERSECTION OF BEAMS! PERHAPS THEN YOU CAN
> > SAY, "I
> > > > REACHED THE WET TRIPOINT", OR WILL IT STILL BE A
> > > > CLASS
> > > > "AS CLOSE AS YOU COULD GET"?
> > > >
> > > > excellent ideas
> > > >
> > > > to visit atchlin class b
> > > > which is the best possible visit for that point
> > > > it will require at least 1 sighter or laserer &
> > at
> > > > least 1 tryer
> > > >
> > > > the advantage of the laser beam is that the
> > tryer
> > > > will be able to
> > > > know at all times where the sight line is in
> > > > relation to himself
> > > >
> > > > without the laser he would have to be taking
> > visual
> > > > &or verbal
> > > > cues from the sighter
> > > >
> > > > but in streams of water the best possible visit
> > is
> > > > usually
> > > > performed on the drift rather than holding
> > steady
> > > > anyway
> > > > & necessarily only lasts an instant
> > > >
> > > > of course it is better if the tryer is conscious
> > in
> > > > & of that instant
> > > > but that could be too much to hope for in many
> > cases
> > > >
> > > > if the river is too deep or swift to just walk
> > out
> > > > to the deepest part
> > > > then it is the intersection of the sight line or
> > > > laser beam & the line
> > > > of strongest current that you will be looking
> > for
> > > > here
> > > >
> > > > this should be fairly perceptible in a canoe too
> > > >
> > > > in any case
> > > > the visual aspect of the thalweg is often a
> > narrow
> > > > band of flatter
> > > > blacker water sometimes with an intermittent
> > > > hairline slithering
> > > > down its midst
> > > >
> > > > & where your laser crosses that slither is where
> > you
> > > > want to be
> > > >
> > > > > e monument
> > > > > so some people have an especially hard time
> > with
> > > > this one
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > of course there have been many other proposed
> > > > systems
> > > > > & many other proposed classes to add onto this
> > > > system
> > > > > including some great parodies all the way down
> > to
> > > > class zzz
> > > > > as in only dreaming you tried
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ONE CLASS COULD BE TO FIND THE PICTURE OF
THE
> > > > TRIPOINT IN THE INTERNET!!!!
> > > >
> > > > right
> > > > & we have been doing a lot of this too
> > > > & sometimes classifying the photos as if they
> > were
> > > > our visits
> > > >
> > > > if there is someone in the pic at the tripoint
> > > > then that photo is class a
> > > > etc
> > > >
> > > > but clearly this is no substitute for the real
> > > > article
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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