Yes but that is LT-PL-RU. I remember thinking we were
unsure that the marker was the tripoint. I don't
think this was ever resolved since the GBBE.

--- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> if you are struggling & clambering up to reach a
> tripoint at the
> pinnacle of some tall monument or other object
> maybe standing on top of your car or someones
> shoulders
> it isnt necessary nor always possible to get your
> feet etc on top
>
> but sometimes all you can do is stretch up to the
> tripoint position
> with a single quivering fingertip for your class a
>
> & all else being equal
> i think that will usually be the right index finger
>
> & since the sense of touch alone might not suffice
> for certainty
> & you might want to be sure to see what you are
> doing too
> in your moment of truth
> the eyeball most likely to make first contact with
> the fully
> extended right arm & index finger is of course the
> left one
>
> a southpaw or northeye might find just the opposite
> to be true
> i dont know
>
> but in any case i think anyone who takes the trouble
> to compare
> eyeballs will most likely prefer the left one for
> sighting in general
> because it usually sees more deeply if not actually
> more clearly
>
>

http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tpphoto2/086114118.jpg

>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > why right index finger and left eye (as opposed to
> > left finger right eye)?
> > And who was the Baltic sitter? I dont think it
> could
> > have been part of GBBE since 3 wet TPs, 1 with
> > soldiers and not sure of position, 1 very short
> > TPmarker (lat lith belarus).
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Petter
> Brabec
> > > <pete2784west@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > & of course there are also our supposedly
> > > objective
> > > > > classifications of the objective accuracy of
> our
> > > visits
> > > > >
> > > > > COULD YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT DO YOU
> > > > EXACTLY MEAN HERE?
> > >
> > > not sure if this is the old query or a request
> for
> > > more specificity
> > >
> > > by supposedly objective here i mean the endeavor
> has
> > > been to
> > > isolate all possible or all major distinct
> qualities
> > > of visits & tries
> > > that everyone could recognize as their own
> > > & then to combine all these into the truest &
> most
> > > beautiful
> > > dartboard bullseye design conception possible
> > > such that everyone might appreciate the result
> > > enough to
> > > specially honor it
> > > whether as so much more folk art or as some
> > > objective creation
> > >
> > > but of course we are also aware that
> > > owing to the limitations of physical existence
> > > everyone sees objective truth to at least some
> > > extent subjectively
> > > & differently from everyone else
> > >
> > > so one can never be too gentle or tentative
> about
> > > objectivity
> > >
> > > & a bonus such extra care & sensitivity pays us
> > > is
> > > to be able to distinguish & appreciate better
> all
> > > the various
> > > subjectivities that may also enter into the
> > > discussion
> > >
> > > but it is all a function of consciously &
> > > deliberately seeking the
> > > truest available truth at every step of every
> try
> > >
> > > > > for how close one can get we have been using
> an
> > > abcde
> > > scale
> > > > >
> > > > > WHICH IS?
> > >
> > > ok
> > > now i realize these were both old queries
> > > but i am glad i blundered into adding the above
> > >
> > > > class a
> > > > means
> > > > you absolutely got it
> > > > & this is normally applied only to marked
> > > tripoints
> > > > where typically you could put your fingertip
> on
> > > the dimple or
> > > > crosshairs or apex that the monument itself
> uses
> > > to represent
> > > > the tripoint
> > > > or it could also be the precise pinnacle of an
> > > unmarked
> > > summit
> > > > tripoint
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IS SITTING ON THE TOP OF THE MARKED CROSS OF
> THE
> > > TRIPOINT STONE, LIKE SAY ON THE ARNOLDSTEIN, THE
>
> > > ULTIMATE CLASS A ? MY GUESS IS, MAYBE NOT
> ENOUGH.
> > >
> > > hahahahaha
> > > the several known tricountry crosses may indeed
> > > present the
> > > greatest challenges in the world for true
> > > trypointers
> > >
> > > but the beau geste you invent & the body part
> you
> > > choose for
> > > attaining your multihood are entirely optional &
> > > personal
> > >
> > > i myself prefer using the heart or lips
> > > but the right index finger &or the left eyeball
> can
> > > be equally true
> > > especially in combination
> > > when scaling a particularly difficult or
> precarious
> > > monument
> > >
> > > however
> > > any skin or even clothed body part at all on the
> > > true point means
> > > the ne plus ultra of objective absoluteness has
> been
> > > attained
> > >
> > > beyond that lies personal artistry of course
> > > but you are already in the pupil & beam of the
> bulls
> > > eye
> > > & there is nowhere left to go
> > >
> > >
> > > i think one well known point sitter has already
> > > achieved a degree
> > > of penetration tho
> > > if that is what you were really wondering &
> > > supposing
> > > but it was by an obelisk apex
> > > somewhere in the baltics
> > >
> > > this has never been done on top of a cross so
> far as
> > > i know
> > > & probably shouldnt be undertaken until at least
> a
> > > modicum of
> > > levitation skills have been attained
> > >
> > > > class b
> > > > means
> > > > you have basically been there as best as could
> be
> > > > & this is normally applied only to unmarked
> points
> > > > where the range of possible precision does
> vary
> > > > but it presupposes the same maximum diligence
> as
> > > class a
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > class c
> > > > means
> > > > you got close enough to actually see the
> tripoint
> > > > or else to clearly visualize the tripoint
> location
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HERE YOU OBVIOUSLY MEAN WITH YOUR OWN EYES IN
> > > THE TERRAIN, RIGHT?
> > >
> > > yes
> > >
> > > of course we are always doing this here with our
> > > minds eyes too
> > > but these are virtual tries
> > > so we havent been counting them the same way
> > >
> > > > class d
> > > > means
> > > > you got a distant glimpse
> > > > & only a general sense of the location
> > > >
> > > > class e
> > > > means
> > > > you earnestly tried but your objective
> completely
> > > eluded you
> > > > & for whatever reason & at whatever distance
> > > > you never even saw the exact tripoint location
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > THESE WET TRIPOINTS COULD BE VISUALIZED BY
> USING
> > > LASERGADGETS. SAY THIS ATCHLTN TRIPOINT LOCATED
> ON
> > > RHEIN RIVER. GET YOUR LASERS READY, GET THREE
> GUYS
> > > IN THE POSITION BY THE WITNESSMARKERS ON THE
> > > RHEIN'S SHORES AND BEAM. THEN YOU�LL GET
> YOURSELF
> > > FAIRLY GOOD PICTURE OF WHERE EXACTEMENT THIS
> > > TRIPOINT IS LOCATED. THEN, WHILE BEAMING,
> EVERYONE
> > > CAN GET INTO THEIR CANOE AND PADDLE STRAIGHT AT
> THE
> > > INTERSECTION OF BEAMS! PERHAPS THEN YOU CAN
> SAY, "I
> > > REACHED THE WET TRIPOINT", OR WILL IT STILL BE A
> > > CLASS
> > > "AS CLOSE AS YOU COULD GET"?
> > >
> > > excellent ideas
> > >
> > > to visit atchlin class b
> > > which is the best possible visit for that point
> > > it will require at least 1 sighter or laserer &
> at
> > > least 1 tryer
> > >
> > > the advantage of the laser beam is that the
> tryer
> > > will be able to
> > > know at all times where the sight line is in
> > > relation to himself
> > >
> > > without the laser he would have to be taking
> visual
> > > &or verbal
> > > cues from the sighter
> > >
> > > but in streams of water the best possible visit
> is
> > > usually
> > > performed on the drift rather than holding
> steady
> > > anyway
> > > & necessarily only lasts an instant
> > >
> > > of course it is better if the tryer is conscious
> in
> > > & of that instant
> > > but that could be too much to hope for in many
> cases
> > >
> > > if the river is too deep or swift to just walk
> out
> > > to the deepest part
> > > then it is the intersection of the sight line or
> > > laser beam & the line
> > > of strongest current that you will be looking
> for
> > > here
> > >
> > > this should be fairly perceptible in a canoe too
> > >
> > > in any case
> > > the visual aspect of the thalweg is often a
> narrow
> > > band of flatter
> > > blacker water sometimes with an intermittent
> > > hairline slithering
> > > down its midst
> > >
> > > & where your laser crosses that slither is where
> you
> > > want to be
> > >
> > > > e monument
> > > > so some people have an especially hard time
> with
> > > this one
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > of course there have been many other proposed
> > > systems
> > > > & many other proposed classes to add onto this
> > > system
> > > > including some great parodies all the way down
> to
> > > class zzz
> > > > as in only dreaming you tried
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ONE CLASS COULD BE TO FIND THE PICTURE OF THE
> > > TRIPOINT IN THE INTERNET!!!!
> > >
> > > right
> > > & we have been doing a lot of this too
> > > & sometimes classifying the photos as if they
> were
> > > our visits
> > >
> > > if there is someone in the pic at the tripoint
> > > then that photo is class a
> > > etc
> > >
> > > but clearly this is no substitute for the real
> > > article
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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