Subject: Re: Jungholz boundary cross, was: ATCHLIN
Date: Aug 21, 2004 @ 04:40
Author: Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
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We know the coat of paint has been added but I dont think it would
have been possible for the x to move since it is chisled into the
rock. Is there an availible photo of the rock before it was painted?

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Stavro Blofeld
<blofeld_es@y...> wrote:
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> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
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> > but i will bring my tape measure to be sure
> > if you havent checked it
>
> This is a very interesting question; i. e. is the
> boundary cross really at the center of the X-mark in
> the 110-rock on top of Sorgschrofen?
>
> As I see it, the following scenario is at least
> plausible.
>
> The border was agreed on in, let's say, general terms
> in the treaty. The wording was something like this:
> The boundary cross is at the highest peak of
> Steinberg.
> (See http://jungholz.enclaves.org for a memory refresh
> of the treaty text.)
>
> After a while marker 110 was placed at some random
> spot on or near the "highest peak".
>
> More than 150 years passed.
>
> Man was given laser measurement equipment, and along
> with that came an obsessive urge for precision.
>
> So, a number of geodetic reference markers were
> placed, the position of the X-mark was measured, and
> it's coordinate was entered into the official boundary
> description.
>
> If you are with me, and you agree with me, then thus
> far we must accept the X-mark as the true cross (pun
> not intended), since it defined itself.
>
> But there is evidence that at least the looks, if not
> even the shape, of the 110-rock has changed at least
> once in the past few decades. Then, if it has been
> shifted, or if a new coat of paint has been applied
> by, say, not too careful extra workers, *after* it was
> measured, the position of the cross is in question.
>
> There is also the subtle question, raised by "m" as I
> remember, whether the X-mark or the actual *top* of
> the 110-rock is the correct spot, but what is said
> above applies in both cases.
>
> My input to the latter disussion would be that there
> is reason to believe that the X-mark is actually
> intended to define the spot. I have come to understand
> that this manner of marking a border is quite common
> in mountainous areas in central Europe. ATLI, which
> has been discussed here recently, contains a
> substantial number of markers cut directly into the
> rock ("Felsmarken"), as does ATDE. There are also a
> few at CHIT-Campione, and most likely others
> elsewhere.
> However, an amateur measurment, conducted even with a
> cheap tape measure from some american superstore,
> should settle this question.
>
> M
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