I think it's a cast-off French Provincial chest of drawers deposited there by
the last flood.
:-)
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:12 AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
> i dont know why there would be a marker on an island in the
> middle of the delu condo
> do you
>
> & i dont recall an actual border marker in the esfr condo either
> tho there may have been a monument of some other sort there
>
> i think the point in both cases tho
> despite the differences
> is that the territory is not divided but held in common
> so any actual border marker on either of these islands would
> surprise me
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > yeah...the small one to the right could be a border
> > monument. I think the French/Spanish condo island
> > Konpantzia (Ile-des-faisans, Isla de los faisanes) has
> > a large monument on it. Though that is a different
> > kind of condo.
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > looks like cleared land & 1 or 2 small structures
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > hmm wonder what that light colored area is on the
> > > > right side of the island...
> > > >
> > > > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > not really a pic of the map
> > > > > which it rather confounds on this detail
> > > > > but certainly of the same island
> > > > >
> > > > > maybe they just need an url change tho
> > > > > after all this time & use
> > > > >
> > > > > pic
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero
> > > -moersdorf.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > map
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
> > > sdorf.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > but will you be blowing thru this neighborhood
> > > again
> > > > > next month
> > > > >
> > > > > then maybe you will be the lucky ones to
> > > discover &
> > > > > make first contact with our long sought &
> > > enormously
> > > > > bizarre condo manne people
> > > > > so often dismissed as purely fabulous
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hmm link not working. Is it an aerial
> > > photograph
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the map Peter
> > > > > > brought up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "aletheiak"
> > > > > > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > yikes
> > > > > > > this may show a structure but i cant be sure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero
> > > > > > > -moersdorf.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "aletheiak"
> > > > > > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > excellent
> > > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > > this is the most promising lead so far
> > > > > > > > both in terms of the size of the island &
> > > the
> > > > > > population density
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the neighborhood
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it even looks like part of the island may
> > > have
> > > > > > been deforested
> > > > > > > > tho no structures are indicated
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > any suggestions on writing to this dorf
> > > for a
> > > > > > local witness
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or can we pan up & down the river at this
> > > site
> > > > > > for other islands
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > perhaps even an island with a structure
> > > > > > indicated on it
> > > > > > > > or would that be too much to hope for
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Peter
> > > > > > Smaardijk"
> > > > > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > E.g. this one:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
> > > > > > > > sdorf.htm
> > > > > > > > > Peter S.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "aletheiak"
> > > > > > > > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > & the river condo is the joint
> > > territory &
> > > > > > property of both
> > > > > > > > > > governments
> > > > > > > > > > so i would imagine any islands in it
> > > are
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > unless someone could have bought them
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > from both governments to be sure
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > but isnt there some fantastic german
> > > > > > zoomable map or
> > > > > > > > aerial pic
> > > > > > > > > > site or something we could use to
> > > track
> > > > > them
> > > > > > all down
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > & then inquire locally
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "Jesper Nielsen"
> > > > > > > > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I drove along the DELU condo in
> > > april
> > > > > and
> > > > > > so no other
> > > > > > > > islands
> > > > > > > > > > than small plots of land.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if someone owns this
> > > land,
> > > > > > and if it's
> > > > > > > > government
> > > > > > > > > > property, and which government?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jesper
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: aletheiak
> > > > > > > > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10
> > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
> > > Divided
> > > > > > building (DEFR)
> > > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > > > DEFRLU
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "Peter
> > > > > > > > Smaardijk"
> > > > > > > > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think that the condominium is
> > > > > formed
> > > > > > by the entire
> > > > > > > river
> > > > > > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > > > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two
> > > > > > stretches, limited
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > four
> > > > > > > > > > > straight
> > > > > > > > > > > > lines across the river, and the
> > > > > > respective river banks.
> > > > > > A
> > > > > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > normally first defined, then
> > > marked.
> > > > > > The markers were
> > > > > > > > > > > therefore
> > > > > > > > > > > > placed after it was known where
> > > the
> > > > > > border was. And
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > border was
> > > > > > > > > > > > the river bank. Now it is a bit
> > > > > > impractical to place
> > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > > markers
> > > > > > > > > > > > half in the water, half on the
> > > land,
> > > > > > and anyway, the
> > > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > formed by a natural linear
> > > feature,
> > > > > > namely the river
> > > > > > > bank.
> > > > > > > > > > Some
> > > > > > > > > > > > border markers were placed, but
> > > only
> > > > > > at more or less
> > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > places, like bridges and
> > > > > confluences.
> > > > > > And at the
> > > > > > > termini
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > condominia, of course. So these
> > > > > > markers are bound
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > witness
> > > > > > > > > > > > markers. By the way, there are
> > > lots
> > > > > of
> > > > > > examples of
> > > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > rivers
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > have the border in the middle of
> > > the
> > > > > > stream (mostly the
> > > > > > > > > > > thalweg),
> > > > > > > > > > > > with border markers on both
> > > sides
> > > > > that
> > > > > > equally don't
> > > > > > > > mark
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > > > exactly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But there are markings that do
> > > mark
> > > > > > the actual border
> > > > > > > > > > > accurately,
> > > > > > > > > > > > nevertheless. For instance the
> > > round
> > > > > > metal plates on
> > > > > > > > > > bridges
> > > > > > > > > > > and on
> > > > > > > > > > > > the former customs house at the
> > > > > > Keppeshausen
> > > > > > > > > > bridgehead.
> > > > > > > > > > > But these
> > > > > > > > > > > > are places where manmade
> > > features
> > > > > > cross into the
> > > > > > > > > > > condominium, and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > border was probably already
> > > fixed at
> > > > > > that time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But the border stones alongside
> > > the
> > > > > > Mosel, Sauer,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Our
> > > > > > > > > > > are, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > think, not exactly on the
> > > border,
> > > > > with
> > > > > > the exception of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > binational tripoint markers
> > > north
> > > > > and
> > > > > > south of Vianden.
> > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > not on the tripoints DEDELULU -
> > > they
> > > > > > are just on
> > > > > > > DELU.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter S.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "Jesper
> > > > > > > > Nielsen"
> > > > > >
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