i dont know why there would be a marker on an island in the
middle of the delu condo
do you
& i dont recall an actual border marker in the esfr condo either
tho there may have been a monument of some other sort there
i think the point in both cases tho
despite the differences
is that the territory is not divided but held in common
so any actual border marker on either of these islands would
surprise me
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> yeah...the small one to the right could be a border
> monument. I think the French/Spanish condo island
> Konpantzia (Ile-des-faisans, Isla de los faisanes) has
> a large monument on it. Though that is a different
> kind of condo.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > looks like cleared land & 1 or 2 small structures
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > hmm wonder what that light colored area is on the
> > > right side of the island...
> > >
> > > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > not really a pic of the map
> > > > which it rather confounds on this detail
> > > > but certainly of the same island
> > > >
> > > > maybe they just need an url change tho
> > > > after all this time & use
> > > >
> > > > pic
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero
> > -moersdorf.htm
> > > >
> > > > map
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
> > sdorf.htm
> > > >
> > > > but will you be blowing thru this neighborhood
> > again
> > > > next month
> > > >
> > > > then maybe you will be the lucky ones to
> > discover &
> > > > make first contact with our long sought &
> > enormously
> > > > bizarre condo manne people
> > > > so often dismissed as purely fabulous
> > > >
> > > > --- Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Hmm link not working. Is it an aerial
> > photograph
> > > > of
> > > > > the map Peter
> > > > > brought up?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "aletheiak"
> > > > > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > yikes
> > > > > > this may show a structure but i cant be sure
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero
> > > > > > -moersdorf.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "aletheiak"
> > > > > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > excellent
> > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > this is the most promising lead so far
> > > > > > > both in terms of the size of the island &
> > the
> > > > > population density
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the neighborhood
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it even looks like part of the island may
> > have
> > > > > been deforested
> > > > > > > tho no structures are indicated
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > any suggestions on writing to this dorf
> > for a
> > > > > local witness
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or can we pan up & down the river at this
> > site
> > > > > for other islands
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > perhaps even an island with a structure
> > > > > indicated on it
> > > > > > > or would that be too much to hope for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Peter
> > > > > Smaardijk"
> > > > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > E.g. this one:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
> > > > > > > sdorf.htm
> > > > > > > > Peter S.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "aletheiak"
> > > > > > > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > & the river condo is the joint
> > territory &
> > > > > property of both
> > > > > > > > > governments
> > > > > > > > > so i would imagine any islands in it
> > are
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > unless someone could have bought them
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > from both governments to be sure
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but isnt there some fantastic german
> > > > > zoomable map or
> > > > > > > aerial pic
> > > > > > > > > site or something we could use to
> > track
> > > > them
> > > > > all down
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > & then inquire locally
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "Jesper Nielsen"
> > > > > > > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I drove along the DELU condo in
> > april
> > > > and
> > > > > so no other
> > > > > > > islands
> > > > > > > > > than small plots of land.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if someone owns this
> > land,
> > > > > and if it's
> > > > > > > government
> > > > > > > > > property, and which government?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jesper
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: aletheiak
> > > > > > > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10
> > PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
> > Divided
> > > > > building (DEFR)
> > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > > DEFRLU
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "Peter
> > > > > > > Smaardijk"
> > > > > > > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I think that the condominium is
> > > > formed
> > > > > by the entire
> > > > > > river
> > > > > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two
> > > > > stretches, limited
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > four
> > > > > > > > > > straight
> > > > > > > > > > > lines across the river, and the
> > > > > respective river banks.
> > > > > A
> > > > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > normally first defined, then
> > marked.
> > > > > The markers were
> > > > > > > > > > therefore
> > > > > > > > > > > placed after it was known where
> > the
> > > > > border was. And
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > border was
> > > > > > > > > > > the river bank. Now it is a bit
> > > > > impractical to place
> > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > markers
> > > > > > > > > > > half in the water, half on the
> > land,
> > > > > and anyway, the
> > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > formed by a natural linear
> > feature,
> > > > > namely the river
> > > > > > bank.
> > > > > > > > > Some
> > > > > > > > > > > border markers were placed, but
> > only
> > > > > at more or less
> > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > places, like bridges and
> > > > confluences.
> > > > > And at the
> > > > > > termini
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > condominia, of course. So these
> > > > > markers are bound
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > witness
> > > > > > > > > > > markers. By the way, there are
> > lots
> > > > of
> > > > > examples of
> > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > rivers
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > have the border in the middle of
> > the
> > > > > stream (mostly the
> > > > > > > > > > thalweg),
> > > > > > > > > > > with border markers on both
> > sides
> > > > that
> > > > > equally don't
> > > > > > > mark
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > > > exactly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But there are markings that do
> > mark
> > > > > the actual border
> > > > > > > > > > accurately,
> > > > > > > > > > > nevertheless. For instance the
> > round
> > > > > metal plates on
> > > > > > > > > bridges
> > > > > > > > > > and on
> > > > > > > > > > > the former customs house at the
> > > > > Keppeshausen
> > > > > > > > > bridgehead.
> > > > > > > > > > But these
> > > > > > > > > > > are places where manmade
> > features
> > > > > cross into the
> > > > > > > > > > condominium, and the
> > > > > > > > > > > border was probably already
> > fixed at
> > > > > that time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But the border stones alongside
> > the
> > > > > Mosel, Sauer,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > Our
> > > > > > > > > > are, I
> > > > > > > > > > > think, not exactly on the
> > border,
> > > > with
> > > > > the exception of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > binational tripoint markers
> > north
> > > > and
> > > > > south of Vianden.
> > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > not on the tripoints DEDELULU -
> > they
> > > > > are just on
> > > > > > DELU.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Peter S.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "Jesper
> > > > > > > Nielsen"
> > > > >
> > > > === message truncated ===
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