whooops
a crossing of the eyeballs & slip of the tongue corrected below
please read eastward for westward & vice versa
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > What is the authority of the GLO / General Land
> > Office? All the info we have seen talks about the
> > 1909 USGS marker. Whether we can verify the center of
> > the 1909 disc falling on the 194-195 sightline or not,
> > they at least seem to have thought they placed the
> > marker in the right place.
>
> they do appear in 1925 to have observed & scrupulously
imitated
> the meridian of the state line as marked in 1909
> because that is precisely the separation line between the
boise
> & willamette meridians
>
> in fact they appear to have employed idwa here as a sort of
> submeridian of the willamette meridian
> in measuring off the public land sections eastward toward the
> governing meridian
> rather than westward from it
> as would have been normal in this location
please cross eyeballs first here above
eastward to westward & westward to eastward
&
> & they may not have been second guessing the 1909
placement
> at all but only seconding it emphatically at the closest
practicable
> remove
> being careful to keep it in the usa too
>
> so all in all where else could they have put it
>
> & it wasnt theirs to question or determine the true location of
> caus either
> as it is ours
> since they were measuring northward as well as eastward
here
> & this public land section had already been foreordained to be
> cropped by caus no matter what they did
& again here above
please read westward for eastward
tho not southward for northward
thank you
end eyeball crossing
> so this was not a meaningful section corner on their grid but
just
> the perfunctory closure of a loose end
> & it must have been done by mimicry alone rather than survey
art
> since they were certainly not looking to pick an argument with
> any of the existing boundaries
>
> Then comes GLO in 1925
> > with this gold capped standpipe with the point
> > depicted. A passerby might be confused and think that
> > is meant to be the TP (as a latter revision?) when I
> > suppose they just meant it to be a witness mark for
> > the 1909 marker.
>
> not really a witness marker in the usual sense
>
> & of course all these markers have specific purposes &
> meanings & are not themselves responsible for any
confusions
>
> nor is the idle passerby responsible either
>
> but it is the responsibility of the seeker to be clear
>
> it may well look like the 1925 trumps the 1909
> which in turn looks like it trumps or joins the caus sight line
>
> but it is possible to know that things arent as they seem
>
> the same thing occurs at ctmari
> where a 1938 marker seems to trump an 1883 marker
> but it is not at all so in reality
>
> Generally, does USGS always trump
> > GLO in instances where both have marked the same
> > tripoints?
>
> yes usgs would trump if it ever really happened
> but i dont think any actual example exists
> not even this one
>
> for even this one only apparently exists but doesnt really
> since both markers here only pretend to mark the tripoint
>
> so
> the state line surveys precede the public land surveys
> just as the international border surveys have priority over the
> state line surveys
> whether historically & chronologically or not
>
> (admitedly I can't think of another
> > example, but perhaps another one exists.)
> >
> > --- "Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@c...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I've posted the narrative and photos detailing my
> > > recent visit to the British
> > > Columbia/Idaho/Washington
> > > (BCIDWA) tripoint and 49N 117W degree confluence on
> > > the Degree Confluence Project website:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=49&lon=-117&visi
> t=4
> > >
> > > Hopefully the combination of the narrative and
> > > photos
> > > will answer some of the questions raised in the
> > > prior
> > > thread I started about BCIDWA(and BCIDMT).
> > >
> > > I'll leave it to 'the experts' to determine what
> > > class
> > > of tripoint visit this is ;-)
> > > If it's in some way important to the visit class, I
> > > did touch the monument, the USGS brass cap, the US
> > > GLO
> > > brass cap, the LSAW plaque, and the ground all
> > > around
> > > the monument.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Patton
> > > Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project
> > > http://www.confluence.org/
> > > My website: http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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