yikes
this may show a structure but i cant be sure
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero
-moersdorf.com
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> excellent
> thanx
> this is the most promising lead so far
> both in terms of the size of the island & the population density
of
> the neighborhood
>
> it even looks like part of the island may have been deforested
> tho no structures are indicated
>
> any suggestions on writing to this dorf for a local witness
>
> or can we pan up & down the river at this site for other islands
>
> perhaps even an island with a structure indicated on it
> or would that be too much to hope for
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > E.g. this one:
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
> sdorf.htm
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> <aletheiak@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > exactly
> > > & the river condo is the joint territory & property of both
> > > governments
> > > so i would imagine any islands in it are also
> > >
> > > unless someone could have bought them
> > >
> > > from both governments to be sure
> > >
> > >
> > > but isnt there some fantastic german zoomable map or
> aerial pic
> > > site or something we could use to track them all down
> > >
> > > & then inquire locally
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no other
> islands
> > > than small plots of land.
> > > >
> > > > But I wonder if someone owns this land, and if it's
> government
> > > property, and which government?
> > > >
> > > > Jesper
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: aletheiak
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10 PM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR)
> near
> > > DEFRLU
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
> Smaardijk"
> > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I think that the condominium is formed by the entire
river
> > > > between
> > > > > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches, limited
by
> four
> > > > straight
> > > > > lines across the river, and the respective river banks. A
> > > border
> > > > is
> > > > > normally first defined, then marked. The markers were
> > > > therefore
> > > > > placed after it was known where the border was. And
> that
> > > > border was
> > > > > the river bank. Now it is a bit impractical to place
border
> > > > markers
> > > > > half in the water, half on the land, and anyway, the
> border
> > > was
> > > > > formed by a natural linear feature, namely the river
bank.
> > > Some
> > > > > border markers were placed, but only at more or less
> > > > important
> > > > > places, like bridges and confluences. And at the
termini
> of
> > > the
> > > > > condominia, of course. So these markers are bound
to
> be
> > > > witness
> > > > > markers. By the way, there are lots of examples of
> border
> > > rivers
> > > > that
> > > > > have the border in the middle of the stream (mostly the
> > > > thalweg),
> > > > > with border markers on both sides that equally don't
> mark
> > > the
> > > > border
> > > > > exactly.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there are markings that do mark the actual border
> > > > accurately,
> > > > > nevertheless. For instance the round metal plates on
> > > bridges
> > > > and on
> > > > > the former customs house at the Keppeshausen
> > > bridgehead.
> > > > But these
> > > > > are places where manmade features cross into the
> > > > condominium, and the
> > > > > border was probably already fixed at that time.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the border stones alongside the Mosel, Sauer,
and
> Our
> > > > are, I
> > > > > think, not exactly on the border, with the exception of
the
> > > > > binational tripoint markers north and south of Vianden.
> But
> > > they
> > > > are
> > > > > not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they are just on
DELU.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter S.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> Nielsen"
> > > > <jesniel@i...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > It's a good observasion. I vaguely remember it being
> > > > disussed
> > > > > before, either on BP or at GCEBE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational
> marker(s)
> > > > around
> > > > > Vianden) just witness markers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There should be a similar map of the northern
> binational
> > > > tripoint
> > > > > somwhere (or perhaps I can find it in my files). We
> couldn't
> > > find
> > > > any
> > > > > southern binational tripoint markers at Vianden.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have anybody been close to the northern binational
> > > marker
> > > > to see
> > > > > the inscription?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesper
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Michael Kaufman
> > > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:45 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building
(DEFR)
> > > near
> > > > DEFRLU
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the condo border on the DE side is where the
river
> > > meets
> > > > the
> > > > > > cement cliff-like sidewalls, then what about the LU
> side
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > river? The DELU-LU boder proceeds from the
> > > DELU-FR-LU
> > > > tripoint
> > > > > and
> > > > > > then makes a turn to the right when it reaches a
> > > monument.
> > > > But
> > > > > the
> > > > > > monument is on land. Does this mean some of
the
> land
> > > is
> > > > condo
> > > > > > territory? Or is the monument a witness marker for
> the
> > > > triline?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > just for the record
> > > > this question was first answered by peter in message
> 3151
> > > >
> > > > & it was then first asked by jesper in message 3236
> > > >
> > > > & finally mats promised to answer it in message 3281
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > but while seeking these original messages just to
check
> my
> > > > sanity
> > > > i also chanced again on mats equally excellent
> messages
> > > 3312
> > > > & 3324
> > > > in which he reported
> > > > among many other choice details
> > > > the existence of 15 still extant condo islands
> > > >
> > > > real condo land territory
> > > >
> > > > places where living or native condoites might be sought
> > > >
> > > > if indeed there are any such joint people living anywhere
> > > > since the demise of moresnet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > so
> > > > since the defrlu island has been found to be
uninhabited
> > > > can anyone identify or locate any of the remaining 14
delu
> > > > islands
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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