excellent
thanx
this is the most promising lead so far
both in terms of the size of the island & the population density of
the neighborhood
it even looks like part of the island may have been deforested
tho no structures are indicated
any suggestions on writing to this dorf for a local witness
or can we pan up & down the river at this site for other islands
perhaps even an island with a structure indicated on it
or would that be too much to hope for
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> E.g. this one:
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
sdorf.htm
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...>
> wrote:
> > exactly
> > & the river condo is the joint territory & property of both
> > governments
> > so i would imagine any islands in it are also
> >
> > unless someone could have bought them
> >
> > from both governments to be sure
> >
> >
> > but isnt there some fantastic german zoomable map or
aerial pic
> > site or something we could use to track them all down
> >
> > & then inquire locally
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no other
islands
> > than small plots of land.
> > >
> > > But I wonder if someone owns this land, and if it's
government
> > property, and which government?
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: aletheiak
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR)
near
> > DEFRLU
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
Smaardijk"
> > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > I think that the condominium is formed by the entire river
> > > between
> > > > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches, limited by
four
> > > straight
> > > > lines across the river, and the respective river banks. A
> > border
> > > is
> > > > normally first defined, then marked. The markers were
> > > therefore
> > > > placed after it was known where the border was. And
that
> > > border was
> > > > the river bank. Now it is a bit impractical to place border
> > > markers
> > > > half in the water, half on the land, and anyway, the
border
> > was
> > > > formed by a natural linear feature, namely the river bank.
> > Some
> > > > border markers were placed, but only at more or less
> > > important
> > > > places, like bridges and confluences. And at the termini
of
> > the
> > > > condominia, of course. So these markers are bound to
be
> > > witness
> > > > markers. By the way, there are lots of examples of
border
> > rivers
> > > that
> > > > have the border in the middle of the stream (mostly the
> > > thalweg),
> > > > with border markers on both sides that equally don't
mark
> > the
> > > border
> > > > exactly.
> > > >
> > > > But there are markings that do mark the actual border
> > > accurately,
> > > > nevertheless. For instance the round metal plates on
> > bridges
> > > and on
> > > > the former customs house at the Keppeshausen
> > bridgehead.
> > > But these
> > > > are places where manmade features cross into the
> > > condominium, and the
> > > > border was probably already fixed at that time.
> > > >
> > > > But the border stones alongside the Mosel, Sauer, and
Our
> > > are, I
> > > > think, not exactly on the border, with the exception of the
> > > > binational tripoint markers north and south of Vianden.
But
> > they
> > > are
> > > > not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they are just on DELU.
> > > >
> > > > Peter S.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
Nielsen"
> > > <jesniel@i...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > It's a good observasion. I vaguely remember it being
> > > disussed
> > > > before, either on BP or at GCEBE.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational
marker(s)
> > > around
> > > > Vianden) just witness markers?
> > > > >
> > > > > There should be a similar map of the northern
binational
> > > tripoint
> > > > somwhere (or perhaps I can find it in my files). We
couldn't
> > find
> > > any
> > > > southern binational tripoint markers at Vianden.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have anybody been close to the northern binational
> > marker
> > > to see
> > > > the inscription?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesper
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Michael Kaufman
> > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:45 AM
> > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR)
> > near
> > > DEFRLU
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If the condo border on the DE side is where the river
> > meets
> > > the
> > > > > cement cliff-like sidewalls, then what about the LU
side
> > of
> > > the
> > > > > river? The DELU-LU boder proceeds from the
> > DELU-FR-LU
> > > tripoint
> > > > and
> > > > > then makes a turn to the right when it reaches a
> > monument.
> > > But
> > > > the
> > > > > monument is on land. Does this mean some of the
land
> > is
> > > condo
> > > > > territory? Or is the monument a witness marker for
the
> > > triline?
> > >
> > >
> > > just for the record
> > > this question was first answered by peter in message
3151
> > >
> > > & it was then first asked by jesper in message 3236
> > >
> > > & finally mats promised to answer it in message 3281
> > >
> > >
> > > but while seeking these original messages just to check
my
> > > sanity
> > > i also chanced again on mats equally excellent
messages
> > 3312
> > > & 3324
> > > in which he reported
> > > among many other choice details
> > > the existence of 15 still extant condo islands
> > >
> > > real condo land territory
> > >
> > > places where living or native condoites might be sought
> > >
> > > if indeed there are any such joint people living anywhere
> > > since the demise of moresnet
> > >
> > >
> > > so
> > > since the defrlu island has been found to be uninhabited
> > > can anyone identify or locate any of the remaining 14 delu
> > > islands
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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