----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:15
PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided
building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no
other islands than small plots of land.
But I wonder if someone owns this land, and if
it's government property, and which government?
Jesper
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10
PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided
building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
"Peter Smaardijk"
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> I think that
the condominium is formed by the entire river
between
>
Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches, limited by four
straight
> lines across the river, and the respective river banks. A border
is
> normally first defined, then marked. The markers were
therefore
> placed after it was known where the border was. And
that
border was
> the river bank. Now it is a bit impractical to
place border
markers
> half in the water, half on the land, and
anyway, the border was
> formed by a natural linear feature, namely
the river bank. Some
> border markers were placed, but only at more
or less
important
> places, like bridges and confluences. And at
the termini of the
> condominia, of course. So these markers are
bound to be
witness
> markers. By the way, there are lots of
examples of border rivers
that
> have the border in the middle of
the stream (mostly the
thalweg),
> with border markers on both
sides that equally don't mark the
border
> exactly.
>
> But there are markings that do mark the actual border
accurately,
> nevertheless. For instance the round metal plates
on bridges
and on
> the former customs house at the Keppeshausen
bridgehead.
But these
> are places where manmade features cross
into the
condominium, and the
> border was probably already fixed
at that time.
>
> But the border stones alongside the Mosel,
Sauer, and Our
are, I
> think, not exactly on the border, with
the exception of the
> binational tripoint markers north and south of
Vianden. But they
are
> not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they are
just on DELU.
>
> Peter S.
>
>
> --- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...>
> wrote:
> > It's a good observasion. I vaguely remember it
being
disussed
> before, either on BP or at GCEBE.
> >
> > Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational marker(s)
around
> Vianden) just witness markers?
> >
>
> There should be a similar map of the northern binational
tripoint
> somwhere (or perhaps I can find it in my files). We couldn't find
any
> southern binational tripoint markers at Vianden.
>
>
> > Have anybody been close to the northern binational marker
to see
> the inscription?
> >
> >
Jesper
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Michael Kaufman
> > To:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday,
July 07, 2004 4:45 AM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
Divided building (DEFR) near
DEFRLU
> >
> >
>
> If the condo border on the DE side is where the river meets
the
> > cement cliff-like sidewalls, then what
about the LU side of
the
> > river? The
DELU-LU boder proceeds from the DELU-FR-LU
tripoint
> and
> > then makes a turn to the right when it reaches a
monument.
But
> the
> > monument is
on land. Does this mean some of the land is
condo
>
> territory? Or is the monument a witness marker for
the
triline?
just for the record
this question was first
answered by peter in message 3151
& it was then first asked by
jesper in message 3236
& finally mats promised to answer it in
message 3281
but while seeking these original messages just to
check my
sanity
i also chanced again on mats equally excellent
messages 3312
& 3324
in which he reported
among many other
choice details
the existence of 15 still extant condo
islands
real condo land territory
places where living or
native condoites might be sought
if indeed there are any such joint
people living anywhere
since the demise of moresnet
so
since the defrlu island has been found to be uninhabited
can anyone
identify or locate any of the remaining 14 delu
islands