----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:01
PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided
building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
Local German land no much help:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:48
PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided
building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
exactly
& the river condo is the joint territory
& property of both
governments
so i would imagine any islands in
it are also
unless someone could have bought them
from both
governments to be sure
but isnt there some fantastic german
zoomable map or aerial pic
site or something we could use to track them
all down
& then inquire locally
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...>
wrote:
> I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no other islands
than small plots of land.
>
> But I wonder if someone owns
this land, and if it's government
property, and which
government?
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: aletheiak
> To:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 08,
2004 6:10 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided
building (DEFR) near
DEFRLU
>
>
> --- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
>
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > I think that the
condominium is formed by the entire river
> between
> > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches,
limited by four
> straight
> >
lines across the river, and the respective river banks. A
border
> is
> > normally first defined,
then marked. The markers were
> therefore
> > placed after it was known where the border was.
And that
> border was
> > the river
bank. Now it is a bit impractical to place border
>
markers
> > half in the water, half on the land, and
anyway, the border
was
> > formed by a natural
linear feature, namely the river bank.
Some
> >
border markers were placed, but only at more or less
>
important
> > places, like bridges and confluences.
And at the termini of
the
> > condominia, of
course. So these markers are bound to be
> witness
> > markers. By the way, there are lots of examples of
border
rivers
> that
> > have
the border in the middle of the stream (mostly the
>
thalweg),
> > with border markers on both sides that
equally don't mark
the
> border
>
> exactly.
> >
> > But there
are markings that do mark the actual border
> accurately,
> > nevertheless. For instance the round metal plates
on
bridges
> and on
> > the
former customs house at the Keppeshausen
bridgehead.
> But these
> > are places where
manmade features cross into the
> condominium, and the
> > border was probably already fixed at that
time.
> >
> > But the border
stones alongside the Mosel, Sauer, and Our
> are, I
> > think, not exactly on the border, with the
exception of the
> > binational tripoint markers north
and south of Vianden. But
they
> are
> > not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they are just on
DELU.
> >
> > Peter
S.
> >
> >
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...>
> >
wrote:
> > > It's a good observasion. I vaguely
remember it being
> disussed
> >
before, either on BP or at GCEBE.
> > >
> > > Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational
marker(s)
> around
> > Vianden)
just witness markers?
> > >
>
> > There should be a similar map of the northern binational
> tripoint
> > somwhere (or perhaps
I can find it in my files). We couldn't
find
> any
> > southern binational tripoint markers at
Vianden.
> > >
> > > Have
anybody been close to the northern binational
marker
> to see
> > the
inscription?
> > >
> > >
Jesper
> > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > From: Michael Kaufman
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004
4:45 AM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
Re: Divided building (DEFR)
near
>
DEFRLU
> > >
> > >
> > > If the condo border on the DE
side is where the river
meets
> the
> > > cement cliff-like sidewalls, then
what about the LU side
of
> the
>
> > river? The DELU-LU boder proceeds from the
DELU-FR-LU
> tripoint
> > and
> > > then makes a turn to the right
when it reaches a
monument.
> But
> > the
> > >
monument is on land. Does this mean some of the land
is
> condo
> > >
territory? Or is the monument a witness marker for the
> triline?
>
>
> just for
the record
> this question was first answered by peter in
message 3151
>
> & it was then first asked by
jesper in message 3236
>
> & finally mats
promised to answer it in message 3281
>
>
>
but while seeking these original messages just to check my
> sanity
> i also chanced again on mats
equally excellent messages
3312
> &
3324
> in which he reported
> among many
other choice details
> the existence of 15 still extant
condo islands
>
> real condo land territory
>
> places where living or native condoites might be
sought
>
> if indeed there are any such joint
people living anywhere
> since the demise of
moresnet
>
>
> so
> since
the defrlu island has been found to be uninhabited
> can
anyone identify or locate any of the remaining 14 delu
>
islands
>
>
>
>
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