Do I interpret this text right in that there are territories that are
handed over to Germany without a plebiscite, and other territories,
mentioned in par. 5, where first a plebiscite has to be be held?
Peter S.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Hornykewycz"
<joseph.hornykewycz@c...> wrote:
> ยง5 of the Munich Pact:
>
> "The international commission referred to in paragraph 3 will
determine the
> territories in which a plebiscite is to be held. These territories
will be
> occupied by international bodies until the plebiscite has been
completed.
> The same commission will fix the conditions in which the plebiscite
is to be
> held, taking as a basis the conditions of the Saar plebiscite. The
> commission will also fix a date, not later than the end of
November, on
> which the plebiscite will be held. "
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/munich1.htm
>
> Joseph H.
> --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Betreff: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
> Datum: 28/06/04 17:10
>
> >
> > As a matter of fact, during that census a lot of czechs declared
> themselves
> > as germanophone, because they expected benefits from belonging to
the 3.
> > Reich.
> > As far as I know this census was supervised by the Allied Forces,
and this
> > solution was strongly supported by France.
> >
> > Joseph H.
> >
> >
> > --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
> > Datum: 28/06/04 17:01
> >
> > >
> > > OK, thanks. But still on the basis of the lowest-level
internal
> > > boundaries then, of course, because you can't speak of
> > "villages"
> > > with a certain percentage of Germanophones if you don't have
village
> > > borders. Although with the forming of another linguistically
defined
> > > border (Flanders-Wallonia) some municipal boundaries _were_
altered.
> > >
> > > I wonder how this census in 1938 was organised, who
organised and
> > > supervised it, and how reliable the outcome was, but I
suspect that
> > > the answer to that is pretty obvious...
> > >
> > > Peter S>
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph
> Hornykewycz"
> > > <joseph.hornykewycz@c...> wrote:
> > > > >>> How did Hitler c.s. define
the
> > > > border of the Sudetenland? On the base of existing
internal
> Czech
> > > > borders perhaps?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > > On the basis of the treaty of Munich 1938 Hitler
made a
> census.
> > > Villages
> > > > with more than 50% german speaking population were
declared
> as
> > > > Sudentendeutsch.
> > > > So the border was not defined on the base of
existing
> internal Czech
> > > > borders, but on the base of a "language
> border".
> > > >
> > > > Joseph H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > An:
"
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com"
> > <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post
1938
> > > > Datum: 18/06/04 20:49
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
"Peter
> Smaardijk"
> > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "Jesper Nielsen"
> > > > <jesniel@i...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > From 1938-1945 Sudetenland was
part of
> Germany
> > > > >
(
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Sudetenland), so
> the CS-DE pre
> > > > WW2
> > > > > had to be different to the post WW2 CS-WDE
> & CS-EDE.
> > > >
> > > > But this is another interesting subject, Jesper.
How was the
> CZDE
> > > > border defined after Munich 1938? Of course, this
border
> didn't last
> > > > long as an international border. After that, it
served as
> the border
> > > > between the Reich and the protectorate of Bohemia
&
> Moravia
> > during
> > > > the war (for what it's worth...). How did Hitler
c.s. define
> the
> > > > border of the Sudetenland? On the base of existing
internal
> Czech
> > > > borders perhaps?
> > > >
> > > > Peter S.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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