Generally the plebiscite was held everywhere (with a few exceptions eg.
Prague).
Municipalities with less than 50% Germanophones which lay within a territory
surrounded by Municipalities with >50% where also considered as part of the
Sudetenland (as far as it geographically made sense).
The border of the Sudetenland was then drawn along the borders of the
municipalities.

This topic "sudetenland" is a quite difficult one, and one has to be very,
very carefull with sources on the internet, because most websites concerning
this topic are from some revanchists.
If anyone is interested, I can organize & upload some old maps from the
Sudetenland.

Joseph H.

--------- Original-Nachricht --------
Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
Datum: 28/06/04 17:46

>
> Do I interpret this text right in that there are territories that are
> handed over to Germany without a plebiscite, and other territories,
> mentioned in par. 5, where first a plebiscite has to be be held?
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Hornykewycz"
> <joseph.hornykewycz@c...> wrote:
> > §5 of the Munich Pact:
> >
> > "The international commission referred to in paragraph 3 will
> determine the
> > territories in which a plebiscite is to be held. These territories
> will be
> > occupied by international bodies until the plebiscite has been
> completed.
> > The same commission will fix the conditions in which the plebiscite
> is to be
> > held, taking as a basis the conditions of the Saar plebiscite. The
> > commission will also fix a date, not later than the end of
> November, on
> > which the plebiscite will be held. "
> >
> > http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/munich1.htm
> >
> > Joseph H.
> > --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com

> > Betreff: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
> > Datum: 28/06/04 17:10
> >
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact, during that census a lot of czechs declared
> > themselves
> > > as germanophone, because they expected benefits from belonging

> the 3.
> > > Reich.
> > > As far as I know this census was supervised by the Allied

Forces,

> and this
> > > solution was strongly supported by France.
> > >
> > > Joseph H.
> > >
> > >
> > > --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
> > > Datum: 28/06/04 17:01
> > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, thanks. But still on the basis of the lowest-level
> internal
> > > > boundaries then, of course, because you can't speak of
> > > &quot;villages&quot;
> > > > with a certain percentage of Germanophones if you don't

have

> village
> > > > borders. Although with the forming of another

linguistically

> defined
> > > > border (Flanders-Wallonia) some municipal boundaries

_were_

> altered.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder how this census in 1938 was organised, who
> organised and
> > > > supervised it, and how reliable the outcome was, but I
> suspect that
> > > > the answer to that is pretty obvious...
> > > >
> > > > Peter S&gt;
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,

&quot;Joseph

> > Hornykewycz&quot;
> > > > &lt;joseph.hornykewycz@c...&gt; wrote:
> > > > &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; How

did Hitler c.s. define

> the
> > > > &gt; border of the Sudetenland? On the base of

existing

> internal
> > Czech
> > > > &gt; borders perhaps?
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt; No.
> > > > &gt; On the basis of the treaty of Munich 1938

Hitler

> made a
> > census.
> > > > Villages
> > > > &gt; with more than 50% german speaking

population were

> declared
> > as
> > > > &gt; Sudentendeutsch.
> > > > &gt; So the border was not defined on the base

> existing
> > internal Czech
> > > > &gt; borders, but on the base of a

&quot;language

> > border&quot;.
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt; Joseph H.
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt; --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > &gt; Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > &gt; An:
> &quot;BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com&quot;
> > > &lt;BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com&gt;
> > > > &gt; Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ?

-&gt; post

> 1938
> > > > &gt; Datum: 18/06/04 20:49
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt; --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> &quot;Peter
> > Smaardijk&quot;
> > > > &gt; &lt;smaardijk@y...&gt;

wrote:

> > > > &gt; &gt; --- In

BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,

> > &quot;Jesper Nielsen&quot;
> > > > &gt; &lt;jesniel@i...&gt;
> > > > &gt; &gt; wrote:
> > > > &gt; &gt; &gt; From 1938-1945

Sudetenland was

> part of
> > Germany
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Sudetenland), so
> > the CS-DE pre
> > > > &gt; WW2
> > > > &gt; &gt; had to be different to the

post WW2 CS-WDE

> > &amp; CS-EDE.
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt; But this is another interesting subject,

Jesper.

> How was the
> > CZDE
> > > > &gt; border defined after Munich 1938? Of

course, this

> border
> > didn't last
> > > > &gt; long as an international border. After

that, it

> served as
> > the border
> > > > &gt; between the Reich and the protectorate of

Bohemia

> &amp;
> > Moravia
> > > during
> > > > &gt; the war (for what it's worth...). How did

Hitler

> c.s. define
> > the
> > > > &gt; border of the Sudetenland? On the base of

existing

> internal
> > Czech
> > > > &gt; borders perhaps?
> > > > &gt;
> > > > &gt; Peter S.
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