yesss a subway
& close enough to a tripoint railway to shake the ground anyway
yet still no split level tripoint to compare with algatn
a real cigar tho for finally delivering on message 12959
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> I can confirm this, having a 1:25k topomap of the area. The
distance
> to the tunnel is about 80 m.
>
> A nice picture of the Belgian side of the railway:
> http://tinyurl.com/38b3k
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > The maps at http://tinyurl.com/2dl45 and
http://tinyurl.com/2kuru
> show that the
> > railroad is/was in a tunnel passing just south of the tripoint.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 7:40 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium
netherlands
> germany
> >
> >
> > thats funny
> >
> > do you mean you spotted traces of a railway on the ground
here
> > or just the apparent alignment as suggested by this map
> >
> > i believe the bedenl rock itself may date from 1816
> > whereas railroads date back only to about 1825
> > so it is hard to imagine how there could really have been a
true
> > tripoint railway here at any time
> >
> > perhaps the above dates are off tho
> > or perhaps a subway or an elevated line might have been
> > possible without disturbing the rock itself
> >
> > but do you know exactly where or when this railway did blow
thru
> > here
> > & are there any pix or other data
> > or just this likeable supposition
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > I like the tp railway too.
> > >
> > > I think Jack Parsell spotted it during GCEBE.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.j
> > pg
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: acroorca2002
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:17 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium
> > netherlands germany
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
Smaardijk"
> > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > I think that there was talk here at BP of BEDENL being a
> > > quintipoint
> > > > for a short period of time, when Neutral Moresnet was
still
> > not
> > > > incorporated into Belgium, but the Eupen area was, so
that
> > two
> > > areas
> > > > of Belgium met at this point, embracing Neutral
Moresnet.
> > Has
> > > this
> > > > ever been proven or refuted?
> > >
> > > yes i think you may be referring to message 813
> > > where there is a try at a full chronology of bedenl
> > > as well as a link to a nice map that shows all 5 slices of
the
> > > quintipoint pie at once
> > >
> > > & i think you may have the sequence reversed here above
> > > since articles 32 & 33 of the treaty of versailles
> > >
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/all440.html
> > > made the former bede condo of moresnet fully belgian
> > > effective immediately on 28 june 1919
> > > while article 34 also made the formerly german county of
> > eupen
> > > & malmedy belgian
> > > but only provided the residents didnt object too much
during
> > the
> > > ensuing 6 months
> > >
> > > & the wrangling about this actually continued til 1921 or
1922
> > >
> > > but of course bedenl was never a quinticountry point
> > >
> > > only a quintisomething point at best
> > >
> > > even to consider bedenl as a former quadricountry point
> > would
> > > require misconstruing the moresnet bede condo into a
> > country
> > > which of course it never really was
> > > but only a neutral or condominial community
> > >
> > > more below
> > >
> > > > If the small segment of the circle at BEDENL represents
> > > Neutral
> > > > Moresnet, as I believe it does, then the Eupen area (Neu
> > > Moresnet
> > > > former municipality) falls into the German segment!
> > > >
> > > > Or does this segment include Neutral Moresnet
(=Kelmis
> > > former
> > > > municipality) AND Neu Moresnet?
> > >
> > > i believe the confusion here is owing to the fact that the 4
> slice
> > > pie depicted by the paving stones must date from before
> > > versailles
> > >
> > > which means the benl & denl lines there are still correct
today
> > >
> > > but since eupen is east of moresnet & both are belgian
today
> > > contemporary bede is not depicted at all by the paving
stones
> > >
> > > yikes
> > >
> > > nice discovery
> > >
> > > more at end
> > >
> > > > Cf. http://www.kelmis.be/fr/commune/intro.htm
> > > >
> > > > Peter S.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Eef Berns"
> > > <eefberns@g...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Yes, that "unnamed division of land " is Moresnet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cees Damen provides detailed information about
> > Moresnet
> > > on
> > > > www.moresnet.nl
> > > > > Jannis Deeleman specialises in the bordermarkers
> > around
> > > this
> > > > tripoint (www.grenspalen.com), unfortunately only in
Dutch
> > > > > On www.grenspalen.nl there's a page on the
> > bordermarkers
> > > of Moresnet
> > > > >
> > > > > The BeDeLu - tripoint has some tourist facilities like
> > > information
> > > > boards, parkings etc. but seems less visited.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns
> > > > >
> > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > websites:
> > > > > - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl
> > > > > - email-forum over grenspalen:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/
> > > > > - Ivn-Eindhoven: http://www.dse.nl/ivn
> > > > > - Passie voor wijn: www.wijnpassie.nl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bill Burke
> > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Cc: Peter Hering ; Carsten Schou Jørgensen ; Hans
> > Peter
> > > Nissen ;
> > > > Michael Kaufman ; doug@b...
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium
> > > netherlands germany
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Following a recent visit, (photos to come) I would like
> > some
> > > more
> > > > information ( have there been previous measages
> > regarding
> > > this
> > > > interesting tri-point?). I believe that it was once the
worlds
> > only
> > > 4
> > > > nation point when Neutaal Moresnet existed. Markings
on
> > the
> > > ground at
> > > > this site suggest an unnamed division of land .Is this
> > > Moresnet?
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole are here seems to designed for border
> > fresks,
> > > being a
> > > > tourist area based on the point. Do other tourist type tri
> > points
> > > > exist?
> > >
> > > all tripoints are for acutourists
> > >
> > > & many tripoint markers depict their boundary
conjunctions
> > >
> > > but so far as i know
> > > only azconmut & kytnva incorporate similarly elaborate
> > diagrams
> > > in the surrounding pavements
> > >
> > >
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