I can confirm this, having a 1:25k topomap of the area. The distance
to the tunnel is about 80 m.
A nice picture of the Belgian side of the railway:
http://tinyurl.com/38b3k
Peter S.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> The maps at http://tinyurl.com/2dl45 and http://tinyurl.com/2kuru
show that the
> railroad is/was in a tunnel passing just south of the tripoint.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 7:40 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands
germany
>
>
> thats funny
>
> do you mean you spotted traces of a railway on the ground here
> or just the apparent alignment as suggested by this map
>
> i believe the bedenl rock itself may date from 1816
> whereas railroads date back only to about 1825
> so it is hard to imagine how there could really have been a true
> tripoint railway here at any time
>
> perhaps the above dates are off tho
> or perhaps a subway or an elevated line might have been
> possible without disturbing the rock itself
>
> but do you know exactly where or when this railway did blow thru
> here
> & are there any pix or other data
> or just this likeable supposition
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > I like the tp railway too.
> >
> > I think Jack Parsell spotted it during GCEBE.
> >
> >
> http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.j
> pg
> >
> > Jesper
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: acroorca2002
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:17 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium
> netherlands germany
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > I think that there was talk here at BP of BEDENL being a
> > quintipoint
> > > for a short period of time, when Neutral Moresnet was still
> not
> > > incorporated into Belgium, but the Eupen area was, so that
> two
> > areas
> > > of Belgium met at this point, embracing Neutral Moresnet.
> Has
> > this
> > > ever been proven or refuted?
> >
> > yes i think you may be referring to message 813
> > where there is a try at a full chronology of bedenl
> > as well as a link to a nice map that shows all 5 slices of the
> > quintipoint pie at once
> >
> > & i think you may have the sequence reversed here above
> > since articles 32 & 33 of the treaty of versailles
> > http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/all440.html
> > made the former bede condo of moresnet fully belgian
> > effective immediately on 28 june 1919
> > while article 34 also made the formerly german county of
> eupen
> > & malmedy belgian
> > but only provided the residents didnt object too much during
> the
> > ensuing 6 months
> >
> > & the wrangling about this actually continued til 1921 or 1922
> >
> > but of course bedenl was never a quinticountry point
> >
> > only a quintisomething point at best
> >
> > even to consider bedenl as a former quadricountry point
> would
> > require misconstruing the moresnet bede condo into a
> country
> > which of course it never really was
> > but only a neutral or condominial community
> >
> > more below
> >
> > > If the small segment of the circle at BEDENL represents
> > Neutral
> > > Moresnet, as I believe it does, then the Eupen area (Neu
> > Moresnet
> > > former municipality) falls into the German segment!
> > >
> > > Or does this segment include Neutral Moresnet (=Kelmis
> > former
> > > municipality) AND Neu Moresnet?
> >
> > i believe the confusion here is owing to the fact that the 4
slice
> > pie depicted by the paving stones must date from before
> > versailles
> >
> > which means the benl & denl lines there are still correct today
> >
> > but since eupen is east of moresnet & both are belgian today
> > contemporary bede is not depicted at all by the paving stones
> >
> > yikes
> >
> > nice discovery
> >
> > more at end
> >
> > > Cf. http://www.kelmis.be/fr/commune/intro.htm
> > >
> > > Peter S.
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Eef Berns"
> > <eefberns@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Yes, that "unnamed division of land " is Moresnet.
> > > >
> > > > Cees Damen provides detailed information about
> Moresnet
> > on
> > > www.moresnet.nl
> > > > Jannis Deeleman specialises in the bordermarkers
> around
> > this
> > > tripoint (www.grenspalen.com), unfortunately only in Dutch
> > > > On www.grenspalen.nl there's a page on the
> bordermarkers
> > of Moresnet
> > > >
> > > > The BeDeLu - tripoint has some tourist facilities like
> > information
> > > boards, parkings etc. but seems less visited.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > websites:
> > > > - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl
> > > > - email-forum over grenspalen:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/
> > > > - Ivn-Eindhoven: http://www.dse.nl/ivn
> > > > - Passie voor wijn: www.wijnpassie.nl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bill Burke
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: Peter Hering ; Carsten Schou Jørgensen ; Hans
> Peter
> > Nissen ;
> > > Michael Kaufman ; doug@b...
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:39 AM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium
> > netherlands germany
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Following a recent visit, (photos to come) I would like
> some
> > more
> > > information ( have there been previous measages
> regarding
> > this
> > > interesting tri-point?). I believe that it was once the worlds
> only
> > 4
> > > nation point when Neutaal Moresnet existed. Markings on
> the
> > ground at
> > > this site suggest an unnamed division of land .Is this
> > Moresnet?
> > > >
> > > > The whole are here seems to designed for border
> fresks,
> > being a
> > > tourist area based on the point. Do other tourist type tri
> points
> > > exist?
> >
> > all tripoints are for acutourists
> >
> > & many tripoint markers depict their boundary conjunctions
> >
> > but so far as i know
> > only azconmut & kytnva incorporate similarly elaborate
> diagrams
> > in the surrounding pavements
> >
> >
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