The maps at
http://tinyurl.com/2dl45 and
http://tinyurl.com/2kuru show that the
railroad is/was in a tunnel passing just south of the tripoint.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "acroorca2002" <orc@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
thats funny
do you mean you spotted traces of a railway on the ground here
or just the apparent alignment as suggested by this map
i believe the bedenl rock itself may date from 1816
whereas railroads date back only to about 1825
so it is hard to imagine how there could really have been a true
tripoint railway here at any time
perhaps the above dates are off tho
or perhaps a subway or an elevated line might have been
possible without disturbing the rock itself
but do you know exactly where or when this railway did blow thru
here
& are there any pix or other data
or just this likeable supposition
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...> wrote:
> I like the tp railway too.
>
> I think Jack Parsell spotted it during GCEBE.
>
>
http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.j
pg
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: acroorca2002
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:17 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium
netherlands germany
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > I think that there was talk here at BP of BEDENL being a
> quintipoint
> > for a short period of time, when Neutral Moresnet was still
not
> > incorporated into Belgium, but the Eupen area was, so that
two
> areas
> > of Belgium met at this point, embracing Neutral Moresnet.
Has
> this
> > ever been proven or refuted?
>
> yes i think you may be referring to message 813
> where there is a try at a full chronology of bedenl
> as well as a link to a nice map that shows all 5 slices of the
> quintipoint pie at once
>
> & i think you may have the sequence reversed here above
> since articles 32 & 33 of the treaty of versailles
> http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/all440.html
> made the former bede condo of moresnet fully belgian
> effective immediately on 28 june 1919
> while article 34 also made the formerly german county of
eupen
> & malmedy belgian
> but only provided the residents didnt object too much during
the
> ensuing 6 months
>
> & the wrangling about this actually continued til 1921 or 1922
>
> but of course bedenl was never a quinticountry point
>
> only a quintisomething point at best
>
> even to consider bedenl as a former quadricountry point
would
> require misconstruing the moresnet bede condo into a
country
> which of course it never really was
> but only a neutral or condominial community
>
> more below
>
> > If the small segment of the circle at BEDENL represents
> Neutral
> > Moresnet, as I believe it does, then the Eupen area (Neu
> Moresnet
> > former municipality) falls into the German segment!
> >
> > Or does this segment include Neutral Moresnet (=Kelmis
> former
> > municipality) AND Neu Moresnet?
>
> i believe the confusion here is owing to the fact that the 4 slice
> pie depicted by the paving stones must date from before
> versailles
>
> which means the benl & denl lines there are still correct today
>
> but since eupen is east of moresnet & both are belgian today
> contemporary bede is not depicted at all by the paving stones
>
> yikes
>
> nice discovery
>
> more at end
>
> > Cf. http://www.kelmis.be/fr/commune/intro.htm
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Eef Berns"
> <eefberns@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > Yes, that "unnamed division of land " is Moresnet.
> > >
> > > Cees Damen provides detailed information about
Moresnet
> on
> > www.moresnet.nl
> > > Jannis Deeleman specialises in the bordermarkers
around
> this
> > tripoint (www.grenspalen.com), unfortunately only in Dutch
> > > On www.grenspalen.nl there's a page on the
bordermarkers
> of Moresnet
> > >
> > > The BeDeLu - tripoint has some tourist facilities like
> information
> > boards, parkings etc. but seems less visited.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > websites:
> > > - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl
> > > - email-forum over grenspalen:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/
> > > - Ivn-Eindhoven: http://www.dse.nl/ivn
> > > - Passie voor wijn: www.wijnpassie.nl
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill Burke
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: Peter Hering ; Carsten Schou Jørgensen ; Hans
Peter
> Nissen ;
> > Michael Kaufman ; doug@b...
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:39 AM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium
> netherlands germany
> > >
> > >
> > > Following a recent visit, (photos to come) I would like
some
> more
> > information ( have there been previous measages
regarding
> this
> > interesting tri-point?). I believe that it was once the worlds
only
> 4
> > nation point when Neutaal Moresnet existed. Markings on
the
> ground at
> > this site suggest an unnamed division of land .Is this
> Moresnet?
> > >
> > > The whole are here seems to designed for border
fresks,
> being a
> > tourist area based on the point. Do other tourist type tri
points
> > exist?
>
> all tripoints are for acutourists
>
> & many tripoint markers depict their boundary conjunctions
>
> but so far as i know
> only azconmut & kytnva incorporate similarly elaborate
diagrams
> in the surrounding pavements
>
>
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